Had to forfeit my 1st game

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

So you told him you were going to forfeit the game if he didnt get you a batter and he refused?

If so, I have no problem with it.

Or did you use it for a top secret WMD and blind side him with it?

He was warned of the consequences and called my bluff. No WMD, he was the one who tried to use the WMD

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

He was warned of the consequences and called my bluff. No WMD, he was the one who tried to use the WMD

Well if you warned him that you were giong to forfeit, then its 100% on him.

Thanks, your OP wasnt clear on that.

[ronald]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

So you told him you were going to forfeit the game if he didnt get you a batter and he refused?

If so, I have no problem with it.

Me neither.

However, I am not sold on the forfeit yet. What happened first? forfeit or time expiring. (already asked that).

Next concern is "this continues until timer goes off". What is the details of this continues. Coach going blah, blah, blah or coach blah blah and umpire responding with what? Was this a two minute "this continues" or how much time?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by ronald

Me neither.

However, I am not sold on the forfeit yet. What happened first? forfeit or time expiring. (already asked that).

Next concern is "this continues until timer goes off". What is the details of this continues. Coach going blah, blah, blah or coach blah blah and umpire responding with what? Was this a two minute "this continues" or how much time?

Regardless of whether the clock ran out, I agree with the decision to forfeit the game. Last thing you want is to have the coach argue that the umpire was the one wasting time. The forfeit makes it absolutely clear that the umpire wasn't the one wasting time, but rather the HC was the one wasting time and got called on it.

[umpirebob71]

The real beauty of this situation is that now that coach gets to go explain the the parents how and why he got their daughter's team handed a forfeit. I'll bet they were none too pleased.

[ronald]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

I am standing at plate doing nothing and say I need a batter at the plate. HT coach says that 3 outs she entered the dugout, I say no, I need a batter now. HT coach sends his players onto the field as I call "strike 2". He then proceeds to tell me I don't know what I'm doing and the rule says she is out. This continues, until my timer goes off, which means 2 minutes had passed.

I called "ball game" forfeit.

Did the time expire first or did you forfeit before time expired? If time expired first, why call the game based on the forfeit rule?

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by ronald

Did the time expire first or did you forfeit before time expired? If time expired first, why call the game based on the forfeit rule?

Time expired first and I again told the coach to send the batter to the plate, which he didn't. He refused to continue to play so forfeit.

Coach violated rule 5 sections 4
C. Refused to continue to play
D. failed to resume play within 2 minutes after play ball declared
E. employed tactics noticeably desgined to delay or hasten the game
F. after warning by the umpire, willfully violated rules of the game

Those of you that say I pulled the trigger too quick, how long would you have waited? There was no signs of him putting the batter back, he was obviously grandstanding and trying to show me up, and just being a jacka..

[ronald]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

Time expired first and I again told the coach to send the batter to the plate, which he didn't. He refused to continue to play so forfeit.

Coach violated rule 5 sections 4
C. Refused to continue to play
D. failed to resume play within 2 minutes after play ball declared
E. employed tactics noticeably desgined to delay or hasten the game
F. after warning by the umpire, willfully violated rules of the game

Those of you that say I pulled the trigger too quick, how long would you have waited? There was no signs of him putting the batter back, he was obviously grandstanding and trying to show me up, and just being a jacka..

After time expired, game over. You gave him one more chance after that, so yup, no choice how it played out but to forfeit it and he has to do what umpirebog said.

Two minutes is enough time I think for D. As for F, that has to be much less. Give coach time to process what you have told him and no more than 10 seconds to make a decision and specifically ask him for his decision.


My biggest question was what transpired during the 2 minutes. If you gave him your decision and moved on great. My first impression from the reading is there might have been some back and forth during the 2 minutes.
That is what I am trying to ascertain.

Thanks, Ron
Thanks

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

Time expired first and I again told the coach to send the batter to the plate, which he didn't. He refused to continue to play so forfeit.

Coach violated rule 5 sections 4
C. Refused to continue to play
D. failed to resume play within 2 minutes after play ball declared
E. employed tactics noticeably desgined to delay or hasten the game
F. after warning by the umpire, willfully violated rules of the game

Those of you that say I pulled the trigger too quick, how long would you have waited? There was no signs of him putting the batter back, he was obviously grandstanding and trying to show me up, and just being a jacka..

I didn't say that you pulled the trigger too quick, just that I may not have done so as quickly. We all have different ways of handling this type of joker.

I may have tossed him, told the assistant to put the batter out there and moved on from there. Or I may have asked him straight on if he was refusing to continue play or follow the umpire's direction. That makes life real easy. I wouldn't have been hung up so much on the two-minute thing, but that you did is fine and well within the rules as set forth.

As previously noted, I have no problem with what you did and you have noted the same rules as I did earlier. I think you did your job just fine.

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I may have tossed him, told the assistant to put the batter out there and moved on from there. Or I may have asked him straight on if he was refusing to continue play or follow the umpire's direction. That makes life real easy. I wouldn't have been hung up so much on the two-minute thing, but that you did is fine and well within the rules as set forth.

I was really asking for other ways to have handled it, I really didn't want to forfeit the game but felt he gave me no choice. Thanks for the other ideas in case this happens again.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by ronald

...If time expired first, why call the game based on the forfeit rule?

Declaring time expired would not end the game since home was at bat.

[ronald]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Declaring time expired would not end the game since home was at bat.

Thanks.

[vcblue]

I don't agree with the way this was handled. This was pure and simply a coach hastens or delay the game. Tell the coach he can't do that and that if he insists you may forfeit the game. If he continues on sending out his team to D eject him for USC. Tell the AC the same thing (By this time the clock would have expired). If the AC does nothing then call over the TD and UIC (in Socal ASA only the TD can Forfeit a game) tell them what happened and let them decide. In either case the game is over (however, this should not matter to us). Most ASA Commissioners I know would not go for this crap by a coach and would most like forfeit the game.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by vcblue

I don't agree with the way this was handled. This was pure and simply a coach hastens or delay the game. Tell the coach he can't do that and that if he insists you may forfeit the game. If he continues on sending out his team to D eject him for USC. Tell the AC the same thing (By this time the clock would have expired). If the AC does nothing then call over the TD and UIC (in Socal ASA only the TD can Forfeit a game) tell them what happened and let them decide. In either case the game is over (however, this should not matter to us). Most ASA Commissioners I know would not go for this crap by a coach and would most like forfeit the game.

Wait, wait, wait... What?! Only the TD can forfeit a game?! That's horsespit.

Look, in 17 years, I've only forfeited games for only one reason: not having enough players. So I'm not "quick to the trigger." But I'll be damned if someone is going to take away a perfectly legitimate tool in my toolbag.

What on earth is their rationale?