Had to forfeit my 1st game

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by ronald

Two minutes passed between strike one and timer going off?

Did this coach really violate the spirit of the delay and hasten rule? He had time to get three strikes. Was what he did a travesty to the game?

Yes

Yes

Without a doubt he had time to get 3 strikes or any of another of other things to "legally" get his 3rd out

Yes

I spent over 2 minutes telling him to get the batter back out, which he refused to do. I wasn't quick on the trigger, I was more than patient trying to just finish the darn game. He refused to get me a batter after more than 2 minutes of being told to do so. He gave me no recourse but to forfeit the game.

[ronald]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

Yes
I spent over 2 minutes telling him to get the batter back out, which he refused to do. I wasn't quick on the trigger, I was more than patient trying to just finish the darn game. He refused to get me a batter after more than 2 minutes of being told to do so. He gave me no recourse but to forfeit the game.

What do you think you could have done differently concerning spending two minutes talking to the coach?

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

Yes

Yes

Without a doubt he had time to get 3 strikes or any of another of other things to "legally" get his 3rd out

Yes

I spent over 2 minutes telling him to get the batter back out, which he refused to do. I wasn't quick on the trigger, I was more than patient trying to just finish the darn game. He refused to get me a batter after more than 2 minutes of being told to do so. He gave me no recourse but to forfeit the game.

So you told him you were going to forfeit the game if he didnt get you a batter and he refused?

If so, I have no problem with it.

Or did you use it for a top secret WMD and blind side him with it?

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

So you told him you were going to forfeit the game if he didnt get you a batter and he refused?

If so, I have no problem with it.

Or did you use it for a top secret WMD and blind side him with it?

He was warned of the consequences and called my bluff. No WMD, he was the one who tried to use the WMD

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

He was warned of the consequences and called my bluff. No WMD, he was the one who tried to use the WMD

Well if you warned him that you were giong to forfeit, then its 100% on him.

Thanks, your OP wasnt clear on that.

[ronald]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

So you told him you were going to forfeit the game if he didnt get you a batter and he refused?

If so, I have no problem with it.

Me neither.

However, I am not sold on the forfeit yet. What happened first? forfeit or time expiring. (already asked that).

Next concern is "this continues until timer goes off". What is the details of this continues. Coach going blah, blah, blah or coach blah blah and umpire responding with what? Was this a two minute "this continues" or how much time?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by ronald

Me neither.

However, I am not sold on the forfeit yet. What happened first? forfeit or time expiring. (already asked that).

Next concern is "this continues until timer goes off". What is the details of this continues. Coach going blah, blah, blah or coach blah blah and umpire responding with what? Was this a two minute "this continues" or how much time?

Regardless of whether the clock ran out, I agree with the decision to forfeit the game. Last thing you want is to have the coach argue that the umpire was the one wasting time. The forfeit makes it absolutely clear that the umpire wasn't the one wasting time, but rather the HC was the one wasting time and got called on it.

[ronald]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Regardless of whether the clock ran out, I agree with the decision to forfeit the game. Last thing you want is to have the coach argue that the umpire was the one wasting time. The forfeit makes it absolutely clear that the umpire wasn't the one wasting time, but rather the HC was the one wasting time and got called on it.

Good point, touche!

[reccer]

I can't speak for the forfeit part, but your initial reaction should have been to run the coach when you ascertained why his batter went to the dugout. Don't forget there is a DC who is playing by the rules and not trying to pencil whip the other team through baseless clock management shenanigans.

Although, I must admit, after hearing you call out strike 2 with time still on the clock, I will have a few chose words for you as well (or at least a pitching change in the very near future There is no way I am letting the game extend beyond that half inning after seeing what the other side is attempting to do.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by reccer

I can't speak for the forfeit part, but your initial reaction should have been to run the coach when you ascertained why his batter went to the dugout. Don't forget there is a DC who is playing by the rules and not trying to pencil whip the other team through baseless clock management shenanigans.

I'm not going to say what his reaction should have been. I will only say what it could have been. Again, I will reiterate: I have zero problem with how this was handled. The coach was given his options, and he made his choice. Yes, an ejection would've been justifiable, but in this sitch, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

Originally Posted by reccer

Although, I must admit, after hearing you call out strike 2 with time still on the clock, I will have a few chose words for you as well (or at least a pitching change in the very near future There is no way I am letting the game extend beyond that half inning after seeing what the other side is attempting to do.

I'm assuming you're speaking as the defensive coach? In that case, you'd be just as guilty as the home team coach for delaying/hastening a game.

"Don't worry, coach. I've got this one under control."

[umpirebob71]

The real beauty of this situation is that now that coach gets to go explain the the parents how and why he got their daughter's team handed a forfeit. I'll bet they were none too pleased.