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Old Wed Apr 29, 2009, 10:59am
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The runner was saying they didn't make an attempt towards second base. There was no contact between F3 and the runner.
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Old Wed Apr 29, 2009, 11:26am
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The runner was saying they didn't make an attempt towards second base.
That is why there is no call on a tag.

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There was no contact between F3 and the runner.
Irrelevant
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Old Wed Apr 29, 2009, 11:30am
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The runner was saying they didn't make an attempt towards second base. There was no contact between F3 and the runner.
I don't think an attempt is relevant. They didn't overrun the base, they fell off of it.
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Old Wed Apr 29, 2009, 11:53am
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Runner falls off the bag and are tagged, they are out. The obstruction of F3 didn't cause her to fall off the bag. She side stepped F3 touched the bag and fell off it.
Out in my opinion. Am I wrong.
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Old Wed Apr 29, 2009, 11:58am
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Runner falls off the bag and are tagged, they are out. The obstruction of F3 didn't cause her to fall off the bag. She side stepped F3 touched the bag and fell off it.
Out in my opinion. Am I wrong.
Why did she fall off?
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Old Wed Apr 29, 2009, 03:50pm
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Why did she fall off?
Gravity stopped working for an instant in that one particular less than an iota's iota of the universe.

In case gravity WAS still working, and I was the uic/site coordinator for that particular field, we'd be placing her back on first base and let's play ball.
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Old Wed Apr 29, 2009, 01:28pm
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I don't think an attempt is relevant. They didn't overrun the base, they fell off of it.
Really? Define "overrun"? Where does the book say the runner must run through the base? Where does it state a runner must remain on their feet? The runner can do cartwheels, somersaults and back flips after touching 1B if they want as long as the umpire doesn't judge she made an attempt to advance.

The ONLY way this runner is called out is if the runner literally stopped while in contact with the base and then, in a completely separate action unaffected and unrelated to those attaining 1B, the player loses contact with the base and then is tagged with the ball while off base.

Call it however you want, but the correct call is nothing without the runner making an attempt toward 2b.
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Old Wed Apr 29, 2009, 01:55pm
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Really? Define "overrun"? Where does the book say the runner must run through the base? Where does it state a runner must remain on their feet? The runner can do cartwheels, somersaults and back flips after touching 1B if they want as long as the umpire doesn't judge she made an attempt to advance.

The ONLY way this runner is called out is if the runner literally stopped while in contact with the base and then, in a completely separate action unaffected and unrelated to those attaining 1B, the player loses contact with the base and then is tagged with the ball while off base.

Call it however you want, but the correct call is nothing without the runner making an attempt toward 2b.
Where does the book say that the runner has to literally stop on the base and fall off of it? Maybe it does say that. I'm just asking where.
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Old Wed Apr 29, 2009, 03:00pm
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What do you mean? African or European?
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Old Wed Apr 29, 2009, 02:41pm
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Really? Define "overrun"? Where does the book say the runner must run through the base? Where does it state a runner must remain on their feet? The runner can do cartwheels, somersaults and back flips after touching 1B if they want as long as the umpire doesn't judge she made an attempt to advance.

The ONLY way this runner is called out is if the runner literally stopped while in contact with the base and then, in a completely separate action unaffected and unrelated to those attaining 1B, the player loses contact with the base and then is tagged with the ball while off base.

Call it however you want, but the correct call is nothing without the runner making an attempt toward 2b.
Overrun means to run beyond or past. They don't have to stay on their feet but to be entitled to the overrunning exception they do have to run past the base. Once they do that I agree with you that they can do whatever they want as long as it isn't an attempt.

If they ran to 1st and stepped on it and fell forward, I'd go with what you're saying as well, though as written a runner tripping over 1st base is liable to be put out.
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Old Wed Apr 29, 2009, 02:43pm
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Overrun means to run beyond or past. They don't have to stay on their feet but to be entitled to the overrunning exception they do have to run past the base. Once they do that I agree with you that they can do whatever they want as long as it isn't an attempt.

If they ran to 1st and stepped on it and fell forward, I'd go with what you're saying as well, though as written a runner tripping over 1st base is liable to be put out.
being obstructed at first base negates any put out at first. but one could always try.
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Old Wed Apr 29, 2009, 03:02pm
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Citation: Rule 3.14159-common sense-"When a runner falls off 1B because she was going around F3, who obstructed her, don't call her out."

Do you really think she meant to advance in the OP? Because if I see this, I will judge she did not.
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