Call at First

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by youngump

I don't think an attempt is relevant. They didn't overrun the base, they fell off of it.

Really? Define "overrun"? Where does the book say the runner must run through the base? Where does it state a runner must remain on their feet? The runner can do cartwheels, somersaults and back flips after touching 1B if they want as long as the umpire doesn't judge she made an attempt to advance.

The ONLY way this runner is called out is if the runner literally stopped while in contact with the base and then, in a completely separate action unaffected and unrelated to those attaining 1B, the player loses contact with the base and then is tagged with the ball while off base.

Call it however you want, but the correct call is nothing without the runner making an attempt toward 2b.

[Badamk]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Really? Define "overrun"? Where does the book say the runner must run through the base? Where does it state a runner must remain on their feet? The runner can do cartwheels, somersaults and back flips after touching 1B if they want as long as the umpire doesn't judge she made an attempt to advance.

The ONLY way this runner is called out is if the runner literally stopped while in contact with the base and then, in a completely separate action unaffected and unrelated to those attaining 1B, the player loses contact with the base and then is tagged with the ball while off base.

Call it however you want, but the correct call is nothing without the runner making an attempt toward 2b.

Where does the book say that the runner has to literally stop on the base and fall off of it? Maybe it does say that. I'm just asking where.

[bkbjones]

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[Skahtboi]

What is the average wing beat of an unladened swallow?

[CajunNewBlue]

ive heard of unladened spitters.

[Az.Ump]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

What is the average wing beat of an unladened swallow?

What do you mean? African or European?
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[youngump]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Really? Define "overrun"? Where does the book say the runner must run through the base? Where does it state a runner must remain on their feet? The runner can do cartwheels, somersaults and back flips after touching 1B if they want as long as the umpire doesn't judge she made an attempt to advance.

The ONLY way this runner is called out is if the runner literally stopped while in contact with the base and then, in a completely separate action unaffected and unrelated to those attaining 1B, the player loses contact with the base and then is tagged with the ball while off base.

Call it however you want, but the correct call is nothing without the runner making an attempt toward 2b.

Overrun means to run beyond or past. They don't have to stay on their feet but to be entitled to the overrunning exception they do have to run past the base. Once they do that I agree with you that they can do whatever they want as long as it isn't an attempt.

If they ran to 1st and stepped on it and fell forward, I'd go with what you're saying as well, though as written a runner tripping over 1st base is liable to be put out.
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[CajunNewBlue]

Originally Posted by youngump

Overrun means to run beyond or past. They don't have to stay on their feet but to be entitled to the overrunning exception they do have to run past the base. Once they do that I agree with you that they can do whatever they want as long as it isn't an attempt.

If they ran to 1st and stepped on it and fell forward, I'd go with what you're saying as well, though as written a runner tripping over 1st base is liable to be put out.

being obstructed at first base negates any put out at first. but one could always try.

[SethPDX]

Citation: Rule 3.14159-common sense-"When a runner falls off 1B because she was going around F3, who obstructed her, don't call her out."

Do you really think she meant to advance in the OP? Because if I see this, I will judge she did not.

[wadeintothem]

A runner tripping over falling over 1B is liable to be put out.....hmmm

Interesting.

The rule as to when a BR is liable to be put out is so very clear, I'm very suprised that this view is taken.

As the OP is written, I could probably agree with either call if you had your reasoning correct - but the reasoning or just bold face statements being pushed by some wants.

Boys and girls... even for the rule book challenged, there is a rules supplement for guidence.. RS 37



- They gotta make an attempt to advance

or

- LBR

Now if you want to call the runner out - please make a reasoning in accordance with the rules. Otherwise, the runner is safe. And as a side note, we could use a little less BS about wanting citations about things not being said and that are additionally and obviously not in the rule book.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

A runner tripping over falling over 1B is liable to be put out.....hmmm

Interesting.

The rule as to when a BR is liable to be put out is so very clear, I'm very suprised that this view is taken.

As the OP is written, I could probably agree with either call if you had your reasoning correct - but the reasoning or just bold face statements being pushed by some wants.

Boys and girls... even for the rule book challenged, there is a rules supplement for guidence.. RS 37



- They gotta make an attempt to advance

or

- LBR

Now if you want to call the runner out - please make a reasoning in accordance with the rules. Otherwise, the runner is safe. And as a side note, we could use a little less BS about wanting citations about things not being said and that are additionally and obviously not in the rule book.

RS 37 is about overrunning 1st base. If a runner doesn't overrun the base then nothing in that supplement applies. They are not entitled to the exception.
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[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by youngump

RS 37 is about overrunning 1st base. If a runner doesn't overrun the base then nothing in that supplement applies. They are not entitled to the exception.

Forget the OP and forget OBS for a second ---

So I'm clear - your contention is that a BR running to 1B who then trips over it and who lands on the other side of it, would not be considered overrunning first base and they are then eligible to be put out... (even with no attempt to advance - just merely based on the fact they tripped over 1b instead of staying on their feet).

[youngump]

Originally Posted by SethPDX

Citation: Rule 3.14159-common sense-"When a runner falls off 1B because she was going around F3, who obstructed her, don't call her out."

Do you really think she meant to advance in the OP? Because if I see this, I will judge she did not.

I agree with your common sense approach. I think it matches the intent of the obstruction rule. It does not match either the intent or the wording of the overrunning rule. If it happened with no obstruction, the safe call would be totally unwarranted.
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[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by youngump

(snip) If it happened with no obstruction, the safe call would be totally unwarranted.

I may be wrong, but......
1) I think the whole point of the discussion was that the fall off the base was related to obstruction, wasn't it?

2) later

[Badamk]

She in no way was attempting to overrun first base. Her intentions were clearly to stop on the bag. She placed one foot on the base and fell off it.

I can see both ways. Obstruction could have been called but there was plenty of base to touch.

All the "you must be an idiot" type comments show your arrogance and unwarranted ego. Just give your opinion.