overthrow

[WestMichBlue]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Hmmm.... if the 1+1 myth is the "least pernicious", then ALL OTHER myths are worse...
BTW, didn't at least one code contain the 1+1 rule? I'm thinking U-trip?

ASA 1933: Rule 25.8 "If, on any play which starts with a batted ball, the ball is overthrown into foul territory at first, third, or home base, runners shall be entitled to advance one base in addition to the one to which they are going, if the ball touches any obstruction, or if a block is declared.

That was the ASA rule into the early '70's. Note there was no concept of "dead ball territory" then; everything outside 1B and 3B was foul territory. As long as the ball was free and unobstructed, runners could keep running. When the ball became blocked, then 1+1 was in effect.

By '75 the rule had been changed to two bases. But from where? Now you may think this is baseball, but the ASA rule was "two bases from TOP on the first play from the infield; two bases from TOT on first play from outfield or subsequent play on infield."

It wasn't until 1987 that we got the rule that we have today: "All runners will be awarded two bases and the award will be governed by the position of the runners when the ball left any fielder's hand."

WMB

[bkbjones]

Originally Posted by WestMichBlue

ASA 1933: [I]Rule 25.8 "If, on any play which starts with a batted ball, the ball is overthrown...

I'm glad we have a contributor who was umpiring in 1933. I knew you were old, but...

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by WestMichBlue

It wasn't until 1987 that we got the rule that we have today: "All runners will be awarded two bases and the award will be governed by the position of the runners when the ball left any fielder's hand."

WMB

And a lot of umpires did not want to give up possible outs, so there was always the, "you get two on an overthrow, but you have to make them".

IOW, they would not designate areas which probably should have been dead because they still wanted the fielder the opportunity to get the out, but they would still maximize the runner's advancement to two bases.

It damn near took a pick and shovel to get that mentality out of the minds of some of the umpires I knew.