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Old Fri Mar 30, 2007, 10:01am
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Your ruling?
Newbies first, then veterans can correct them.

Bases loaded, 2 outs, full count, R1 and R2 off as the ball crosses the plate. R3 not so bright. Pop up near 2nd base. R1 scores easily. R2 scores before the ball comes down. R3, seeing the popup, gives up and is standing about 15 feet off of first base.

F4 fails to catch the popup. After the ball hits the ground, F4 chases R3 back toward first, where BR has already rounded the bag, causing R3 to run (in reverse) past BR. R3 gets all the way back to the base and is tagged (BR is about where F4 started the play when the tag is made).

How many runs score and why?

edit to correct R1/3 error and technicality on timing of when R1 and R2 left)
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Old Fri Mar 30, 2007, 10:08am
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R1 scores easily.

After the ball hits the ground, F4 chases R1 back toward first, where BR has already rounded the bag, causing R1 to run (in reverse) past BR. R1 gets all the way back to the base and is tagged (BR is about where F4 started the play when the tag is made).
Are you sure this is what you meant to say???? (Check out the red lettering.)
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Old Fri Mar 30, 2007, 10:42am
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I'm inclined to say two since the force was off when the BR passed the runner retreating to first, assuming the BR did this after the other runners had crossed the plate.
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Old Fri Mar 30, 2007, 12:14pm
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Are you sure this is what you meant to say???? (Check out the red lettering.)
Obviously, an incompletely editted baseball scenario!
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Old Fri Mar 30, 2007, 01:02pm
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Are you sure this is what you meant to say???? (Check out the red lettering.)
Thanks! I fixed it.
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Old Fri Mar 30, 2007, 01:03pm
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Obviously, an incompletely editted baseball scenario!
No, a softball scenario, written by someone who's been arguing too much on that other board this morning.
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Old Fri Mar 30, 2007, 01:21pm
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arguing too much on that other board this morning.
From my browsing (and occasional --- VERY occasional) posting on that board, I would not have thought it possible to argue too much there...
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Old Fri Mar 30, 2007, 01:46pm
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Newbies first, then veterans can correct them.

Bases loaded, 2 outs, full count, R1 and R2 off on the pitch. R3 not so bright. Pop up near 2nd base. R1 scores easily. R2 scores before the ball comes down. R3, seeing the popup, gives up and is standing about 15 feet off of first base.

F4 fails to catch the popup. After the ball hits the ground, F4 chases R3 back toward first, where BR has already rounded the bag, causing R3 to run (in reverse) past BR. R3 gets all the way back to the base and is tagged (BR is about where F4 started the play when the tag is made).

How many runs score and why?
Speaking ASA SP.

None, either R1 or R2 is out for leaving the base prior to the ball reaching the plate.
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Old Fri Mar 30, 2007, 02:16pm
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Thanks for the continued derailing...

I see only one real answer so far ... go ahead and guess, non-1000-post guys.
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Old Fri Mar 30, 2007, 02:23pm
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I'm curious as to the answer. No one else seems to be.

I'm rethinking my answer though. If the BR had already touched first base, then ran past R3, then R3 is no longer entitled to first base, thus making the tag of her a fourth out. I'm a baseball guy who occasionally does softball (expected to do so in this my association), so do softball rules recognized a fourth out like baseball does?
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Old Fri Mar 30, 2007, 02:26pm
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TB - tried to send you an IM, but it's shut off on your end.
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Old Fri Mar 30, 2007, 02:30pm
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Getting curious as to what the answer is....
Why?

There is only one answer unless some SP guy bobs in here and talks about runners leaving early.. but mccrowder fixed that

Its a timing play, the tag is immaterial.

The out is when the "BR" passes R3 (even though its R3s fault for being a doofus)

Two run score since R2 scored before the out, 3rd out, refill sunflower seed time.
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Old Fri Mar 30, 2007, 02:30pm
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Old Fri Mar 30, 2007, 03:16pm
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Newbies first, then veterans can correct them.
re: No answers... I wasn't sure how long you wanted me to wait...
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re: No answers... I wasn't sure how long you wanted me to wait...
Keep waiting.....
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