Last out of inning

[rhsc]

. Put this one to bed.
[/B]

I put it to bed, just didnt score the run.

[debeau]

No worries .
On a different note where are you from .
I am trying to be friendly here so dont worry .

[Alameda]

Forget where's he's from, that's for another thread!!

lol


The run scores.

[rhsc]

Originally posted by debeau
No worries .
On a different note where are you from .
I am trying to be friendly here so dont worry .

Yea, its the friendly ones you gotta worry about where I come from.

South Carolina and no run scores.

[WestMichBlue]

rhsc: I dont care what yall say about this sitch anymore..if Im there making this call..no run scores. None of this has convinced me otherwise

So what would convince you otherwise? You have obviously chosen to ignore the rulebook and casebook in favor of your own personal rules. You may be joking here, but if you are serious you don't belong on the field.

The only way to get a fourth out is to appeal on a runner that scored. That did not happen here. No fourth out!

Therefore the 3rd out ended the inning. Run scored before tag. Timing play - count the run.

WMB

[tcannizzo]

rhsc, you wouldn't be talking to Spanky about this ruling would you? ;-o

[Bluefoot]

To paraphrase my earlier post:
Does anyone hear acutally read the posts?!? (seriously!)

Originally posted by tcannizzo
There is no appeal! What is your basis for appeal?

Again, the appeal falls under POE #1 J. Force Out. The BR was forced to touch 1B and did not do so before being put out by the defense.

[Bluefoot]

Originally posted by JEL
If a runner leaves 1B early on a fly ball to right which is caught, and is thrown out at 1B this is a "live ball appeal". Why was the runner out? because she was "forced" to return to 1B, and the defense properly executed a play on her

Jel:

This does not constitute the runner being "forced" to return to 1B. Yes, in your situation the runner is obligated to return to 1B before being put out.

But the definition of a "force" is limited to the runners losing the right to a base that the runner is occupying when the Batter becomes a BR.

[Bluefoot]

Originally posted by Little Jimmy
But how do I know that the defense is appealing? On a missed base or leaving early situation it's generally conceeded as common knowledge that a throw back to that base is an appeal. But on this one I'd need to hear something verbal from someone.

Little Jimmy:

It's called a Live Ball Appeal. Nothing verbal is required on a live ball appeal.

[Bluefoot]

Originally posted by AltUmpSteve
I don't ever recall a live ball appeal for a fourth out. It strikes me that, after the third out is made, you can only allow a properly made dead ball appeal, and that can't be honored without a verbal appeal.

AltUmpSteve:

Where does it say that in the rule book? POE#1 M. Fourth Out Appeal. It states that an appeal may be made after the third out as long as it is done properly. It does not say anything about live or dead.

Mike described this as a continous play, so it's not a dead ball.

[Bluefoot]

Originally posted by WestMichBlue
Also, a fourth out appeal to negate a run can only be made on the runner that scored. See Rule 5.5.C

WMB:

No, it does not state that a fourth out appeal can be made ONLY on a runner who has scored.
Rule 5. 5. C. does state that
"No run shall be scored if a "fourth out" is the result of an appeal of a base missed or left too soon on a runner who has scored."

It does not limit the appeal to only the runner who has scored, and it also does not eliminate the appeal on other runners who are forced.

[Bluefoot]

Originally posted by debeau
Now if you hit the ball you are forced to run to ist so I would suppose it is a force.

debeau:
Rule 8.2.B. states "Batter-Runner is out when after hitting a fair ball the batter-runner is legally put out prior to reaching first base."

I would call that being "forced" to go to 1B.

[Bluefoot]

Originally posted by nzumpire
Since when have you worried about the 4th out once you have three outs in the innings?
...you go looking for another out?
I don't think so.. Do you? No way, you are heading back to the inter-innings baselines just as fast as the fielders are retiring to the dugout. The 4th out is not an appeal play so end of story. Put this one to bed.

nzumpire:

If you're never concerned with the possibility of a fourth out on an appeal, then if I were you, I'd read and learn POE #1 M. that covers it, or else, you just better hope that you are never faced with a situation of that type.

If you're heading to whereever you go between innings as fast as you can and not paying attention to what's going on in the game, you might miss the defense making a play that they are entitled to do to prevent a run from scoring.

By the same thinking, I guess it'd make about as much sense as running for your car as soon as you assume the last play of the game is made, without sticking around for what could be an "appealable" play. But that would require reading of POE #1 N. in advance too.

[Rachel]

Opps I cheated again.

Run scores, Once the third out is made the inning is over and the run scores on a timing play. To late to do a force. The only time you get to use a fourth out is on an appeal play situation.

[Dakota]

Let's try to get this back on the rails, shall we?

There is no appeal on this play. Look up the definition of an appeal play. Show me where there is one in this situation?

No appeal play. Forget it. Find something else to base your ruling on. If you actually disallowed the run scoring on the basis of a fouth out appeal, and it was protested, you would lose. Why?

Because there ain't no friggin' appeal play here!