BR: Out or Safe?

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I see it a bit differently.

The BR legally avoided a tag at ~7 sec point of the video, and overran and missed the base at ~ 8 sec point, and returned to touch the base before being tagged (assuming this was a legal live ball appeal) at ~9 sec.

At this point, the BR has overrun the base and returned to touch the base.

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Suppose there was no play being made, and a batter-runner made a little circle around 1B, reached down and touched the bag from the right field side, and then stepped back and just stood there, slowly shuffling toward the base. Would you consider the runner to be protected as a BR who has overrun 1B? I think the answer to that is, essentially, where you and I would disagree.

I see the overrun as his first time past the bag; you see this as a circuitous route to the bag where the touch is the first time past the bag.

I enjoy discussing differences of judgment and opinion like this, which is why I posted the play. I would agree with your whole interpretation if I thought the runner overran the base at 0:08. In your circuitous BR example, yes, I would judge his step back towards right field as a legally protected overrun. I don't have rule support to do otherwise, and 8-7-T (look back rule) covers what the BR may or may not do after moving toward right field.

Under ASA, 8-8-I says the runner is not out if he overruns first base after touching it. It is clear he does not touch it. I am interested in any other rule citations that say we should judge this an overrun. It could change my entire perspective on this play.