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When you will act like a professional. Thank you for proving to everyone what you are really about.
Peace
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As to your other reference to Canuckrefguy's post, were you aware that the play that he was talking about is covered by a completely different rule, and is not germane at all to this discussion? If you knew anything at all about the basketball rules, you might have known that. If two officials make conflicting calls on a single play- as in one calling it a violation and the other calling it a foul- then the officials MUST decide which occurred first, and then they HAVE to go with that call. Different rule completely, Windy. The officials still CANNOT OVERRULE one another on this play. They HAVE to come to an agreement on which occurred first. And btw, if the officials hadda each called a foul on different players, such as on a block/charge- and they can't agree what call they should go with, again neither of the officials CAN OVERRULE the other. A completely different rule is used again now, Windy. If they can't agree on which foul to go with, then both players get a foul charged to them, and you have a jump ball and an arrow possession. You were aware of all of these different rules that apply for all of these different situations though, weren't you, Windy? Do you know what they all have in common, btw? In NONE of these situations can one official OVERRULE another official's call! Lah me. Guy's never looked at a basketball rule book in his life, but he's trying to tell me that he's right and the rules are wrong. Un-freaking-believable! [Edited by Jurassic Referee on Aug 11th, 2004 at 06:26 PM] |
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Guys - this is getting out of hand. Obviously the two of you are never going to agree - so why not just drop it and let it go!
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Ah Windy...
I will not deal with your name calling. That speaks for itself.
I have watched this discussion closely. Windy you are so wrong. They already use replay in the NCAA and NBA Basketball. You are only a baseball umpire. Not one level that I am aware of uses any replay in baseball. Not the Majors. Not the NCAA World Series. Not LL or any games that you see on TV. Not sure what point you are trying to make here. You find one guy that lives in Canada to back up your position. I am not even sure that they use NCAA Rules up there. International Basketball is mostly governed by FIBA. FIBA does not even use three officials to work games yet. Nothing against canuckref and his knowledge of this issue but I assume that he does not work under NF which works very closely with the NCAA on deciding rules and mechanics. For God Sake both the NF and NCAA are based in Indianapolis, Indiana. It is clear that you have not read all the other posts here. Many people keep saying it is unacceptable is not the way to go. I am a baseball umpire as well and worked that the longest out of all my sports. You cannot take one point of view and claim you have the right answer.
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OZ, I have to agree with JR on this one here.
OZ,
JR is completely right. Someone is going read this board (basketball officials) and think that a baseball only is telling them the proper procedure. Of course we are not going to agree, but that is why you debate the issue. Because if in the game of football or basketball you do what a NCAA Baseball Umpire claims to do, then you will never get anywhere. I know guys that "step on the toes" of their partners and they do not advance because no one wants to work with them. In all the sports I work the higher ups always talk about how the officials are a team. We are to support out partners even when they make mistakes. Unless you have a serious rules violation, you stay away from judgment calls. Also for the record, Windy is not a basketball official. Windy was not mentioned in my original question. I just wanted opinions. I am sure there are others that feel Windy's point of view are right. But I asked the question to see if there were situations that apply outside of replay. Windy has come here name calling because I am not a member of his organization in the Chicagoland area. That is what this is about and why he has come here and called me all these names. I do not know his email and do not care to talk to him thru email. He is a troll that cannot stand for an RIT to be seen as a success. I do not know why the moderators let his personal rants go on. JR and I have stuck to the issues of the debate. That is why we are here; I cannot speak for the other person. Peace
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This is idiotic. By rule, one official cannot overrule (unilaterally overturn, make invalid, change or deny a decision) another official's call. Example: C calls 3 seconds on A1, T blows the whistle to declare A1 did not violate the 3 second rule. This cannot be done by rule. However, any official can, by rule, bring potentially new information to the calling official at any time. Example: L gives the ball to B on an OOB off A1, C comes in to tell L that he saw the ball go OOB off B1. This is perfectly acceptable by rule. In this case the L decides whether or not the new information has standing and whether or not to change his call. In practice, how & when it's acceptable to bring new information to the calling official is determined during the pregame.
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All I was trying to say was - let it go. You are obviously never going to "win" the arguement with him, and any half-brained reader of this post should realise that Windy has no idea. Just my (metric) two cents
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All I was trying to say was - let it go. You are obviously never going to "win" the arguement with him, and any half-brained reader of this post should realise that Windy has no idea. [/B][/QUOTE]Good advice, Duane. |
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