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Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
Jurassic -
Ill try to keep this simple. Apparently you have a problem with the word overrule. Feel free to substitute change, alter or make-correct if it helps.
Dont pull any of that selective memory crap, youre just as guilty. Several members pointed out that you are playing word games with just one post. I clarified the issue and gave examples of what is acceptable. It seems that none of your basketball compadres are coming to your rescue here either. Amazing, no???
I believe that Canuckrefguy gave a fine example of another NCAA game where those referees found it within themselves to change/alter/overrule a call that was made. His post was made at 7:58 last night, but hes probably not aware that what he saw couldnt have happened because you say so. So, in answer to your question, yes calls are changed/altered/overruled by other officials at the NCAA and FED level. Should they be, YES!
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Windy, I don't have a problem with the word "overrule" at all. I also don't have a problem with the words "change", "alter" or "make correct" either. The FACT still remains that the NCAA and NFHS rules that I cited very specifically say that one official CANNOT OVERRULE, CHANGE, ALTER, or MAKE CORRECT another official's decision. You have given your opinion- nothing else. Your opinion is in direct conflict with the RULES that I cited. The only person that can change a call in basketball is the official that made that call in the first place. That's what the rules state. And NO- calls at the NCAA and FED levels are NEVER OVERRULED by another official. The rules DO NOT permit that.
As to your other reference to Canuckrefguy's post, were you aware that the play that he was talking about is covered by a completely different rule, and is not germane at all to this discussion? If you knew anything at all about the basketball rules, you might have known that. If two officials make conflicting calls on a single play- as in one calling it a violation and the other calling it a foul- then the officials MUST decide which occurred first, and then they HAVE to go with that call. Different rule completely, Windy. The officials still CANNOT OVERRULE one another on this play. They HAVE to come to an agreement on which occurred first. And btw, if the officials hadda each called a foul on different players, such as on a block/charge- and they can't agree what call they should go with, again neither of the officials CAN OVERRULE the other. A completely different rule is used again now, Windy. If they can't agree on which foul to go with, then both players get a foul charged to them, and you have a jump ball and an arrow possession. You were aware of all of these different rules that apply for all of these different situations though, weren't you, Windy? Do you know what they all have in common, btw? In NONE of these situations can one official OVERRULE another official's call!
Lah me. Guy's never looked at a basketball rule book in his life, but he's trying to tell me that he's right and the rules are wrong. Un-freaking-believable!
[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Aug 11th, 2004 at 06:26 PM]