fumble, then penalty, then run

[HLin NC]

Momentum- inside the B5.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by OKREF

What about the one time you would bean bag the spot of an interception?

Originally Posted by HLin NC

Momentum- inside the B5.

You are correct sir.

[maven]

Originally Posted by OKREF

What about the one time you would bean bag the spot of an interception?

Never.

Sorry, this is a nit I pick. My BJ bags the momentum spot, not the spot of the interception.

If we start talking about bagging an interception, somebody's going to start bagging interceptions.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by maven

Never.

Sorry, this is a nit I pick. My BJ bags the momentum spot, not the spot of the interception.

If we start talking about bagging an interception, somebody's going to start bagging interceptions.

Page 42 of NFHS Officials Manual.

Covering Official
E. If pass is intercepted inside defensive teams 5 yard line, and player making interception is downed in the end zone or ball goes out of bounds there:
1. Mark spot of interception with bean bag.
2. Be prepared to rule whether his/her momentum took him/her into the end zone.

[Canned Heat]

Originally Posted by maven

Never.

Sorry, this is a nit I pick. My BJ bags the momentum spot, not the spot of the interception.

If we start talking about bagging an interception, somebody's going to start bagging interceptions.

Agree with you but I'll bite and nit pick further.....those 2 spots would be the same spot in this case, correct?

(You can't get the furthest point of momentum without possession of the INT.)

[maven]

Originally Posted by Canned Heat

Agree with you but I'll bite and nit pick further.....those 2 spots would be the same spot in this case, correct?

(You can't get the furthest point of momentum without possession of the INT.)

Oh sure, they're the same. Just as the spot of recovery and the end of a kick are often the same. But we bag the end of the kick, not the spot of recovery, since only one of them is an enforcement spot.

I'm not disputing that they're the same spot: I want to be precise in what I call it, since I want what I call it to link up with the reason for the bag. And I bag it because it is a momentum spot, not because it's a spot of interception.

So I would much rather have my crew understand momentum and the various ways the momentum exception comes into play than to be thinking about when to bag an interception.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by maven

Never.

Sorry, this is a nit I pick. My BJ bags the momentum spot, not the spot of the interception.

If we start talking about bagging an interception, somebody's going to start bagging interceptions.

I get the nit, but it's technically wrong. You're bagging the spot of the interception. This "momentum spot" is not a defined term. Can't just make up a term, then change a rule to use your term, and then call anyone not using your term wrong and then pick that nit...

[maven]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I get the nit, but it's technically wrong. You're bagging the spot of the interception. This "momentum spot" is not a defined term. Can't just make up a term, then change a rule to use your term, and then call anyone not using your term wrong and then pick that nit...

It is no more wrong than 'spot of the interception', which is also not an explicitly defined term in NFHS.

And if you're going to allow implicit definitions (interception is defined in terms of catching an opponent's pass, and the catch has a spot), then 'momentum spot' is defined implicitly in 8-5-2 EXCEPTION:

"the ball belongs to the team in possession at the spot where the pass or fumble was intercepted or recovered or the kick was caught or recovered."

[MD Longhorn]

Exactly. You just made my point.

The rule says the spot of the interception. You've invented a term and replaced a word in a rule to suit your own fancy. And if you and your crew want to call it that, please, feel free...

But being bothered (calling it a nit that you pick) that others use the actual word from the actual rule? As Chris Carter would say ... "Come on, man"

[maven]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Exactly. You just made my point.

The rule says the spot of the interception....

Please show me where it says "spot of the interception." It does not. It says "the spot where the pass or fumble was intercepted or recovered or..."

And whatever you want to call the spot, the point is that we bag it because of momentum, not because of an interception. Calling the spot by the implicitly defined term 'spot of the interception' tends to obscure the reason for the bag.

That is not your point.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by maven

Please show me where it says "spot of the interception." It does not. It says "the spot where the pass or fumble was intercepted or recovered or..."

And whatever you want to call the spot, the point is that we bag it because of momentum, not because of an interception. Calling the spot by the implicitly defined term 'spot of the interception' tends to obscure the reason for the bag.

That is not your point.

Originally Posted by OKREF

Page 42 of NFHS Officials Manual.

Covering Official
E. If pass is intercepted inside defensive teams 5 yard line, and player making interception is downed in the end zone or ball goes out of bounds there:
1. Mark spot of interception with bean bag.
2. Be prepared to rule whether his/her momentum took him/her into the end zone.

Umm. Right here.

[maven]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Umm. Right here.

That's neither a rule, nor a definition.

I really didn't intend this microscopic point to generate so much discussion. Call it whatever you want, bag all the interceptions you want. I'm out.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by maven

That's neither a rule, nor a definition.

I really didn't intend this microscopic point to generate so much discussion. Call it whatever you want, bag all the interceptions you want. I'm out.

You're right, it's the official NFHS mechanic. No one said to bag all interceptions, in fact I said what is the ONE time we do bag the interception.