"Traveling" Signal at snap

[tjones1]

I received a phone call last night with this play:

A breaks the huddle and trips (A88, A80, A85) go out to a wing.

All A players come set for one second; however, once that's done, A88, A80, and A85 start doing the traveling/false start signal. The ball is snapped while they are doing this.

Seems really straight forward to me as I have a flag. But, maybe I'm missing something.

Crew working the game last Friday didn't flag it and a crew working their underclass game on Monday flagged it.

Thoughts?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by tjones1

I received a phone call last night with this play:

A breaks the huddle and trips (A88, A80, A85) go out to a wing.

All A players come set for one second; however, once that's done, A88, A80, and A85 start doing the traveling/false start signal. The ball is snapped while they are doing this.

Seems really straight forward to me as I have a flag. But, maybe I'm missing something.

Crew working the game last Friday didn't flag it and a crew working their underclass game on Monday flagged it.

Thoughts?

Are eligible receivers required to stand completely still?
Did the movement simulate the snap?

What's the flag for? Exactly what rule was broken?

[bigjohn]

7-2-6

[REFANDUMP]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

7-2-6

How does this not say that players must remain motionless for one second prior to the snap ?? Once again, we use common sense here but to me it appears the rule is cut and dried.

[bcl1127]

I am having a hard time seeing why this is even a discussion, if you think that this is a flag, then I hope your WRs never signal to you that they are on or off the line, because if they do when someone is in motion, you would have two men in motion from your logic.

I cannot believe something like this is 3 pages deep already.

This is no flag, maybe if we felt like it, it could be a talk to, but I would not flag this.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

How does this not say that players must remain motionless for one second prior to the snap ?? Once again, we use common sense here but to me it appears the rule is cut and dried.

Please, the first time you call on a Friday, go out there, and flag the receivers every time the WR turns his head or wiggles his fingers and then isn't statuesque for a full second before the ball is snapped. Then come back here and tell us what your CC had to say about it.

You have your head buried in the sand trying hard to win an argument, instead of listening to what is being said and using that common sense you claim "we" use.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

How does this not say that players must remain motionless for one second prior to the snap ?? Once again, we use common sense here but to me it appears the rule is cut and dried.

Common sense is never cut and dried.

[REFANDUMP]

The rule is cut and dried. Common sense says it should not be officated that way. I have never said it should. There is a difference in movement that is common to the game of football and movements that are not. That in my judgement is the distinction, and the way the rulesmakers want the games officiated. In my opinion, recievers that are making "traveling" signals are not making movements common to the game of football. I would flag this movement. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, and it's obvious there are people on both sides of this discussion.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

are eligible receivers required to stand completely still?
Did the movement simulate the snap?

What's the flag for? Exactly what rule was broken?

7-2-7

[mbyron]

bigjohn: 7-2-6 doesn't warrant a flag, because these players DID come set. THEN they started moving their hands.

Tanner: you're calling this MOTION?

[bigjohn]

really? what the he## does shall remain stationary, mean then??

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

really? what the he## does shall remain stationary, mean then??

It means motionless. The requirement is one second, which all 11 satisfied. Did you read the play?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by mbyron

bigjohn: 7-2-6 doesn't warrant a flag, because these players DID come set. THEN they started moving their hands.

Tanner: you're calling this MOTION?

Well, yes... it is movement.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Well, yes... it is movement.

Yeah, it's movement. No, it's not motion. Sorry, I don't like this flag.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by tjones1

7-2-7

Hand movements are not motion. Do you require all our receivers to keep their hands completely still before the snap (after the 1 second is fulfilled) - as in: no adjusting their glove, no swinging motion of the arms at their sides, no turning their heads toward the QB and back to the CB? Hopefully the answer is "of course not".