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Old Fri Jan 05, 2007, 09:42pm
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New "Team Control" Signal

I just want to know what everyone thinks about the "team control" signal NFHS added this year. It's the same signal as a lane violation, but what is your take on it?
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Old Fri Jan 05, 2007, 10:20pm
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It is not the same signal. I have gotten used to it. Coaches get confused unless the specific [block, illegal screen, etc] is verbalized when reporting.
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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 12:00am
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I just want to know what everyone thinks about the "team control" signal NFHS added this year. It's the same signal as a lane violation, but what is your take on it?
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I like it. The first three fouls I called this season were team control fouls. It isn't the same as a lane violation, though. You're punching the wrong way.
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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 12:28am
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I like it. The first three fouls I called this season were team control fouls. It isn't the same as a lane violation, though. You're punching the wrong way.
Which way do I punch at?
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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 12:36am
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Which way do I punch?
Forward. I only use it at the table.
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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 12:36am
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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 12:45am
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You punch the direction you are going so, lead is out in front, trail should punch to the side, and I think all fouls with control should be the punch, there is no need for two signals when the results of both calls are the same.
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You punch the direction you are going so, lead is out in front, trail should punch to the side, and I think all fouls with control should be the punch, there is no need for two signals when the results of both calls are the same.
Not so fast. The NF never suggested that you go in the direction even though that is what most of us might actually do. Actually the NF Guidebook which Referee Magazine publishes showed the best description. You punch out in front of you in their description. But there is no suggestion you have to point towards anyone. Maybe that will change, but as of right now

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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 01:31am
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Not so fast. The NF never suggested that you go in the direction even though that is what most of us might actually do. Actually the NF Guidebook which Referee Magazine publishes showed the best description. You punch out in front of you in their description. But there is no suggestion you have to point towards anyone. Maybe that will change, but as of right now

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You might want to re-read that..."The signal will communicate that the ball is going the other direction and no free throws will be attempted." Hmmmm.

Couple that with the manual from 05-07 that we are still using...without the new signal...under fouls 230-e, if a team control foul point in the direction of the throw-in team's basket.
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You might want to re-read that..."The signal will communicate that the ball is going the other direction and no free throws will be attempted." Hmmmm.

Couple that with the manual from 05-07 that we are still using...without the new signal...under fouls 230-e, if a team control foul point in the direction of the throw-in team's basket.
My association actually mandated that this is the way the signal would be used, probably for this (seemingly logical in my mind) reason.

Fist up, then punch toward throw-in team's basket with same arm.
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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 05:33am
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is it bad that I use a player control mechanic AFTER giving a block, push, etc if team control is involved?

I think NCAA did this a number of years ago....

F Federation mechanics.
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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 05:45am
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Fist up, then punch toward throw-in team's basket with same arm.
That's exactly the FIBA way of doing it. We've had this signal since many years; people (i.e., officials, players, coaches, even fans) are used to it now.

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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 09:16am
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is it bad that I use a player control mechanic AFTER giving a block, push, etc if team control is involved?
If it's a TC foul that is not also a PC foul, then the PC foul shouldn't be used.
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Hasn't been a problem at all....this is how our SRI wants it done and it works really well.

Preliminary signals at point of foul:
Whistle & raised fist
Team Control signal straight out in front
Type of foul (block, hold, push, etc.)
Point to inbound location.

Reporting to the table:
Report color & number of player that committed foul
Team control signal, fist straight out in front
Indicate color & point direction ball is going.

I also verbalize everything while giving the signals, which really helps....and not just in team control situations!

Examples while giving signals above:
Initial Report - Team control, white 23, block, blue ball

Report to table - White foul, #23, team control, blue ball

I also use different voice levels for each - normal speaking volume for initial so players concerned know what's going on, louder & slower for report to table so anyone paying attention will know what the call is.

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Old Sat Jan 06, 2007, 11:17am
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You might want to re-read that..."The signal will communicate that the ball is going the other direction and no free throws will be attempted." Hmmmm.

Couple that with the manual from 05-07 that we are still using...without the new signal...under fouls 230-e, if a team control foul point in the direction of the throw-in team's basket.
OUCH! That's gonna leave a mark!
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