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Old Fri Sep 07, 2012, 08:00am
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"Traveling" Signal at snap
I received a phone call last night with this play:

A breaks the huddle and trips (A88, A80, A85) go out to a wing.

All A players come set for one second; however, once that's done, A88, A80, and A85 start doing the traveling/false start signal. The ball is snapped while they are doing this.

Seems really straight forward to me as I have a flag. But, maybe I'm missing something.

Crew working the game last Friday didn't flag it and a crew working their underclass game on Monday flagged it.

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Old Fri Sep 07, 2012, 08:35am
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I received a phone call last night with this play:

A breaks the huddle and trips (A88, A80, A85) go out to a wing.

All A players come set for one second; however, once that's done, A88, A80, and A85 start doing the traveling/false start signal. The ball is snapped while they are doing this.

Seems really straight forward to me as I have a flag. But, maybe I'm missing something.

Crew working the game last Friday didn't flag it and a crew working their underclass game on Monday flagged it.

Thoughts?
Are eligible receivers required to stand completely still?
Did the movement simulate the snap?

What's the flag for? Exactly what rule was broken?
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Old Fri Sep 07, 2012, 08:46am
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Old Fri Sep 07, 2012, 09:36am
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are eligible receivers required to stand completely still?
Did the movement simulate the snap?

What's the flag for? Exactly what rule was broken?
7-2-7
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Old Fri Sep 07, 2012, 09:52am
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bigjohn: 7-2-6 doesn't warrant a flag, because these players DID come set. THEN they started moving their hands.

Tanner: you're calling this MOTION?
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Old Fri Sep 07, 2012, 09:57am
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really? what the he## does shall remain stationary, mean then??
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Old Fri Sep 07, 2012, 10:07am
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really? what the he## does shall remain stationary, mean then??
It means motionless. The requirement is one second, which all 11 satisfied. Did you read the play?
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Old Fri Sep 07, 2012, 10:11am
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yeah, did you read the rule

and shall remain means once they stop they can't start moving their hands.
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Old Fri Sep 07, 2012, 10:18am
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bigjohn: 7-2-6 doesn't warrant a flag, because these players DID come set. THEN they started moving their hands.

Tanner: you're calling this MOTION?
Well, yes... it is movement.
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Old Fri Sep 07, 2012, 10:28am
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yeah, did you read the rule

and shall remain means once they stop they can't start moving their hands.
Damn, read the whole sentence...

AND SHALL REMAIN ... FOR AT LEAST ONE SECOND.

The way you're reading this prohibits players going in motion entirely.
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Old Fri Sep 07, 2012, 10:30am
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7-2-7
Hand movements are not motion. Do you require all our receivers to keep their hands completely still before the snap (after the 1 second is fulfilled) - as in: no adjusting their glove, no swinging motion of the arms at their sides, no turning their heads toward the QB and back to the CB? Hopefully the answer is "of course not".
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Old Fri Sep 07, 2012, 10:34am
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Well, yes... it is movement.
Yeah, it's movement. No, it's not motion. Sorry, I don't like this flag.
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The way you're reading this prohibits players going in motion entirely.
The way he's reading it, the rule prohibits their ever moving again. Until they die.
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Old Fri Sep 07, 2012, 10:57am
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they can't be moving (hands, feet or heads) at the snap. There must be at least 1 full second of this before the snap or it is a foul. So even though they came set, they started moving again and a new 1 second is requires, just like a new shift.



Rule 7-2-6 says they must remain motionless until the ball is snapped but it must be at least one second, it could be more if there is time on the 25 to be set for longer. The 1 second means they can't just stop moving and immediately snap the ball.
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Old Fri Sep 07, 2012, 11:38am
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Hand movements are not motion. Do you require all our receivers to keep their hands completely still before the snap (after the 1 second is fulfilled) - as in: no adjusting their glove, no swinging motion of the arms at their sides, no turning their heads toward the QB and back to the CB? Hopefully the answer is "of course not".
Then what is the definition of motion?

I agree with all of those. However, this is clear a deliberate act that is non-football.
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