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tjones1 Fri Sep 07, 2012 08:00am

"Traveling" Signal at snap
 
I received a phone call last night with this play:

A breaks the huddle and trips (A88, A80, A85) go out to a wing.

All A players come set for one second; however, once that's done, A88, A80, and A85 start doing the traveling/false start signal. The ball is snapped while they are doing this.

Seems really straight forward to me as I have a flag. But, maybe I'm missing something.

Crew working the game last Friday didn't flag it and a crew working their underclass game on Monday flagged it.

Thoughts?

MD Longhorn Fri Sep 07, 2012 08:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 853489)
I received a phone call last night with this play:

A breaks the huddle and trips (A88, A80, A85) go out to a wing.

All A players come set for one second; however, once that's done, A88, A80, and A85 start doing the traveling/false start signal. The ball is snapped while they are doing this.

Seems really straight forward to me as I have a flag. But, maybe I'm missing something.

Crew working the game last Friday didn't flag it and a crew working their underclass game on Monday flagged it.

Thoughts?

Are eligible receivers required to stand completely still?
Did the movement simulate the snap?

What's the flag for? Exactly what rule was broken?

bigjohn Fri Sep 07, 2012 08:46am

7-2-6

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-c.../rule7-2-6.png

tjones1 Fri Sep 07, 2012 09:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 853493)
are eligible receivers required to stand completely still?
Did the movement simulate the snap?

What's the flag for? Exactly what rule was broken?

7-2-7

mbyron Fri Sep 07, 2012 09:52am

bigjohn: 7-2-6 doesn't warrant a flag, because these players DID come set. THEN they started moving their hands.

Tanner: you're calling this MOTION?

bigjohn Fri Sep 07, 2012 09:57am

really? what the he## does shall remain stationary, mean then??

mbyron Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:07am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 853509)
really? what the he## does shall remain stationary, mean then??

It means motionless. The requirement is one second, which all 11 satisfied. Did you read the play?

bigjohn Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:11am

yeah, did you read the rule

and shall remain means once they stop they can't start moving their hands.

tjones1 Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:18am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 853506)
bigjohn: 7-2-6 doesn't warrant a flag, because these players DID come set. THEN they started moving their hands.

Tanner: you're calling this MOTION?

Well, yes... it is movement.

MD Longhorn Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:28am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 853512)
yeah, did you read the rule

and shall remain means once they stop they can't start moving their hands.

Damn, read the whole sentence...

AND SHALL REMAIN ... FOR AT LEAST ONE SECOND.

The way you're reading this prohibits players going in motion entirely.

MD Longhorn Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 853504)
7-2-7

Hand movements are not motion. Do you require all our receivers to keep their hands completely still before the snap (after the 1 second is fulfilled) - as in: no adjusting their glove, no swinging motion of the arms at their sides, no turning their heads toward the QB and back to the CB? Hopefully the answer is "of course not".

mbyron Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 853516)
Well, yes... it is movement.

Yeah, it's movement. No, it's not motion. Sorry, I don't like this flag.

mbyron Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 853521)
The way you're reading this prohibits players going in motion entirely.

The way he's reading it, the rule prohibits their ever moving again. Until they die. :eek:

bigjohn Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:57am

they can't be moving (hands, feet or heads) at the snap. There must be at least 1 full second of this before the snap or it is a foul. So even though they came set, they started moving again and a new 1 second is requires, just like a new shift.



Rule 7-2-6 says they must remain motionless until the ball is snapped but it must be at least one second, it could be more if there is time on the 25 to be set for longer. The 1 second means they can't just stop moving and immediately snap the ball.

tjones1 Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 853522)
Hand movements are not motion. Do you require all our receivers to keep their hands completely still before the snap (after the 1 second is fulfilled) - as in: no adjusting their glove, no swinging motion of the arms at their sides, no turning their heads toward the QB and back to the CB? Hopefully the answer is "of course not".

Then what is the definition of motion?

I agree with all of those. However, this is clear a deliberate act that is non-football.


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