Intentional Grounding Question

[Mike L]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I fall into two categories: Official (basketball only for now), and Broadcaster.

Tonight I was broadcasting a couple of high school games to kickoff the season here in Illinois, and I saw essentially the same play called two different ways.

Play 1: The QB was in the pistol formation (ie, not under center) with the clock winding down in the second quarter. He gets the snap from center and immediately spikes it. One of the officials throws a flag, and they enforce intentional grounding.

Play 2: The QB was in the shotgun, clock winding down in the second quarter. He gets the snap from center, and spikes it. No flag.

Different officiating crew for each game.

Can you guys help me out?

Might be one crew is more used to NCAA rules which do allow the QB to spike from a shotgun formation.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mike L

Might be one crew is more used to NCAA rules which do allow the QB to spike from a shotgun formation.

I bet that was the issue based on what I know of those games and who is assigned.

Peace

[jstewart]

Last night we a 4th and goal at the 7. "A" lines up for a FG. The kicker takes the snap and in an attempt to do a fake. throws the ball into the end zone where no receiver was in the area. R ruled it intentionally grounding and penalized A from the previous and awarded the ball to B.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by jstewart

Last night we a 4th and goal at the 7. "A" lines up for a FG. The kicker takes the snap and in an attempt to do a fake. throws the ball into the end zone where no receiver was in the area. R ruled it intentionally grounding and penalized A from the previous and awarded the ball to B.

Did it look like an attempt to avoid loss of yardage? It's first down for B anyway, but could be a different spot.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by jstewart

Last night we a 4th and goal at the 7. "A" lines up for a FG. The kicker takes the snap and in an attempt to do a fake. throws the ball into the end zone where no receiver was in the area. R ruled it intentionally grounding and penalized A from the previous and awarded the ball to B.

OK. Do you have a question?

[jstewart]

Originally Posted by mbyron

OK. Do you have a question?

It was just something none us had ever seen.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by mbyron

OK. Do you have a question?

I do:

Why was the penalty administered from the previous spot instead the spot where the pass was released?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by CT1

I do:

Why was the penalty administered from the previous spot instead the spot where the pass was released?

Good question. Perhaps the spot of the foul was at or beyond the basic spot. Perhaps the report is incorrect. Perhaps the crew screwed it up.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by jstewart

Last night we a 4th and goal at the 7. "A" lines up for a FG. The kicker takes the snap and in an attempt to do a fake. throws the ball into the end zone where no receiver was in the area. R ruled it intentionally grounding and penalized A from the previous and awarded the ball to B.

An Illegal Forward Pass is considered a foul during a "running" play, and the penalty is enforced from the end of the run (which is the spot of the pass). This 5 yard penalty includes loss of down (right to repeat the down).

Since the pass was thrown during a 4th down, the defense is awarded possession after administering the 5 yard penalty.

[buckrog64]

So if you have A's ball 4th and 10 on B's 40 and A commits OPI (assuming incomplete pass), would you move ball to A's 45 and the 1/10 for B? Different scenario: Loss of down penalty negates opportunity to replay down on a try, but do you still penalize yardage on ensuing free kick? Thanks.

[buckrog64]

Looks like 5.2 has something to say about this area. I'll look at that a little more closely.

[Tom.OH]

Originally Posted by ajmc

An Illegal Forward Pass is considered a foul during a "running" play, and the penalty is enforced from the end of the run (which is the spot of the pass). This 5 yard penalty includes loss of down (right to repeat the down).

Since the pass was thrown during a 4th down, the defense is awarded possession after administering the 5 yard penalty.

On a couple occasions I have been telling the captain to take the penalty as his coach was yelling to decline it! I then yelled the options so the coach could hear it. Now we pretty much go to the coach if it is not a standard run of the mill foul.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jstewart

Last night we a 4th and goal at the 7. "A" lines up for a FG. The kicker takes the snap and in an attempt to do a fake. throws the ball into the end zone where no receiver was in the area. R ruled it intentionally grounding and penalized A from the previous and awarded the ball to B.

Sounds like an incorrect ruling to me. No receiver in the area is a requirement for IG -- but not the only requirement.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Sounds like an incorrect ruling to me. No receiver in the area is a requirement for IG -- but not the only requirement.

We don't have enough info to tell whether it was correct or incorrect.