Holding on a pass play, NFHS rules

[BoBo]

Ok we have college guys confusing fed rules with ncaa rules

3rd and 8 from the A's 40

QB drops back to pass and A66 holds on the A35.

Where is this penalty enforced from?

A's 35 or A's 40

thanks

[InsideTheStripe]

Originally Posted by BoBo

Ok we have college guys confusing fed rules with ncaa rules

3rd and 8 from the A's 40

QB drops back to pass and A66 holds on the A35.

Where is this penalty enforced from?

A's 35 or A's 40

thanks

It depends. What happened after the hold?

Was the QB sacked at the 30? Did he throw an incomplete pass? Did he throw a completed pass? Did he run for a first down?

[BoBo]

A- he passes down field for a completion and first down

B- he is sacked at the 32 (yes i know if its 3rd down they likely will decline but humor me please


C- runs for 15 yards

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BoBo

A- he passes down field for a completion and first down

B- he is sacked at the 32 (yes i know if its 3rd down they likely will decline but humor me please


C- runs for 15 yards

A-Spot of the foul at the A35, 10 yard penalty. If penalty accepted it will be 3rd and 23.

B-Enforce from the end of the run. Penalty accepted it would be 3rd and 26 or if not accepted 4th and 16.

C. Spot of the foul. If penalty accepted spot of the foul 3rd and 23.

Peace

[BoBo]

The problem some people have is how the rule book states on loose ball plays fouls should be enforced from the previous spot, but people seem to struggle with the all but one principle.

I was positive i was correct with my enforcements but then i was thinking too much about it.

thanks for the confirmation.

[JRutledge]

The basic spot on loose ball plays are the previous spot, but if the foul takes place behind that, this is why you sometimes enforce the play simply from the spot of the foul.

Peace

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BoBo

The problem some people have is how the rule book states on loose ball plays fouls should be enforced from the previous spot, but people seem to struggle with the all but one principle.

Part of the reason people struggle stems from statements like this one. The book does not state that fouls during loose ball plays are enforced from the previous spot. It says the basic spot is the previous spot, and under ABO the basic spot might or might not be the enforcement spot.

When I took the class, the instructor made a hash of "all but one." I've had to figure it out by myself: all what? One what?

So, for those of us conversant with ABO, I apologize, but here's my 3 step lesson in ABO:

1. Two teams might foul, A and B.
2. The foul might occur in one of two locations, beyond or behind the basic spot. That's four types of fouls (A fouls behind, A fouls beyond, B fouls behind, B fouls beyond).
3. ALL types of foul BUT ONE type are penalized from the basic spot: the ONE is that fouls by A behind the basic spot are penalized from the spot of the foul.

You sometimes hear that "ABO doesn't apply," simply because the foul is not an A foul behind the basic spot; that is incorrect. ABO always applies: if you have a foul by B, for example, ABO dictates basic spot enforcement. If you have a foul by A beyond the basic spot, ABO dictates basic spot enforcement.