foul in overtime

[whitehat]

I think the "suceeding spot" phrase is confusing some. I.E. the KO can be and is a "succeeding spot" so to speak in some cases.

If I understand the rule, once we are in OT nothing changes in terms of what can carry over to the next OT. That is, only fouls on try or FG during OT can be carried over to next OT series.

[Canned Heat]

Originally Posted by whitehat

I think the "suceeding spot" phrase is confusing some. I.E. the KO can be and is a "succeeding spot" so to speak in some cases.

If I understand the rule, once we are in OT nothing changes in terms of what can carry over to the next OT. That is, only fouls on try or FG during OT can be carried over to next OT series.

Correct. That is how I understand it.

[RadioBlue]

Just so I'm crystal clear on this.

In the first series of overtime Team A scores and Team B is called for a facemask foul. Team A's options are: decline, assess on the PAT, or assess on Team B's series (which is the second half of the first overtime)?

However, if the same situation occurs during the second series of the first overtime the only options are declination or assessment on the PAT.

Do I understand this correctly?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

Just so I'm crystal clear on this.

In the first series of overtime Team A scores and Team B is called for a facemask foul. Team A's options are: decline, assess on the PAT, or assess on Team B's series (which is the second half of the first overtime)?

However, if the same situation occurs during the second series of the first overtime the only options are declination or assessment on the PAT.

Do I understand this correctly?

Assuming that A's score is a TD, that sounds correct.

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Assuming that A's score is a TD, that sounds correct.

Yes. In my scenario, A scores a TD.

Is it just me, or does this seem to tip the competitive balance in A's favor? Consider this scenario occuring in an overtime:

In the first series of the overtime, Team A scores a TD. On the scoring play, B commits DPI. Team A has 3 options and in this instance they choose to enforce the penalty at the beginning of Team B's overtime series. Team A is successful kicking for point and now lead by 7.

Now Team B is looking at 1st and goal from the 25 for their overtime series.

Let's say B is able to score a TD. On that scoring play, A is flagged for at 15-yard facemask. (I know Team A is usually the team on offense, but in order to keep things clear, I kept the original designations.) Team B is only afforded two options, correct? Decline, or enforce on the try since there is no guarantee of a 2nd overtime.

I'm just saying it seems a little unfair that Team A has the ability to back up their opponent for their overtime series, yet Team B doesn't have that same choice.

[BroKen62]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

Just so I'm crystal clear on this.

In the first series of overtime Team A scores and Team B is called for a facemask foul. Team A's options are: decline, assess on the PAT, or assess on Team B's series (which is the second half of the first overtime)?

However, if the same situation occurs during the second series of the first overtime the only options are declination or assessment on the PAT.

Do I understand this correctly?

Not according to what the others have posted. According to 8-2-2,&,3, the only options in either case are accept and replay,(dumb), decline, or assess on the PAT, because the wording specifically says, "subsequent kickoff" and there is no "subsequent kickoff" in OT.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

Just so I'm crystal clear on this.

In the first series of overtime Team A scores and Team B is called for a facemask foul. Team A's options are: decline, assess on the PAT, or assess on Team B's series (which is the second half of the first overtime)?

However, if the same situation occurs during the second series of the first overtime the only options are declination or assessment on the PAT.

Do I understand this correctly?

No only if A's score was a FG, not a TD... and no, this doesn't favor any team --- the team that goes first in the first "inning" goes last in the second.

[RadioBlue]

Okay. Pardon my confusion and accept my thanks for helping me clear this up.

In OT, a penalty by the defense on a TD can NEVER be assessed on the ensuing series. Is that a true statement?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

Okay. Pardon my confusion and accept my thanks for helping me clear this up.

In OT, a penalty by the defense on a TD can NEVER be assessed on the ensuing series. Is that a true statement?

You have to be careful with statements like never and always but I can't think of a scenario that would be an exemption.

A foul on a TD scoring play can be assessed on the PAT or the subsequent kickoff, IF there is a subsequent kickoff.

In OT, there are no kickoffs. so the penalty must be assessed on the PAT.

[kdf5]

Originally Posted by BroKen62

Not according to what the others have posted. According to 8-2-2,&,3, the only options in either case are accept and replay,(dumb), decline, or assess on the PAT, because the wording specifically says, "subsequent kickoff" and there is no "subsequent kickoff" in OT.

Exactly. You can only enforce a defensive foul during an OT TD on the try because you can't enforce it on the subsequent kickoff.

You can enforce a foul during an OT FG to the succeeding spot which would be where the defense next snaps the ball. So it could be 1st and goal from the 15 or 20 or 25 or worse when B becomes A (depending on your state's OT rules).

[whitehat]

Originally Posted by kdf5

Exactly. You can only enforce a defensive foul during an OT TD on the try because you can't enforce it on the subsequent kickoff.

You can enforce a foul during an OT FG to the succeeding spot which would be where the defense next snaps the ball. So it could be 1st and goal from the 15 or 20 or 25 or worse when B becomes A (depending on your state's OT rules).

I am convinced this is correct. no kickoff therefore fouls on TD can only be enforced on PAT.

If foul by B on successful try or FG in OT then have option of making "B" start 1st and goal form 15, 20 or 25 dpeening on the foul.

[RadioBlue]

Okay. Thanks for straightening me out.

Now. About my competitive balance issue. (Which sounds like a medical condition.)

If, in the first "half" of an overtime, Team A scores a FG and Team B fouls, Team B will probably be facing a 1st and goal from the 15, 20, or 25. If, in the bottom "half" of the overtime, Team B scores a successful FG to tie the game, Team B could then choose to enforce the penalty at the succeeding spot. Which, depending on what team chooses what, could translate in to a 1st and goal from the 15, 20 or 25, or, perhaps the 5 should Team B wind up on defense the first "half" of the next overtime.

Is that a proper summation?

[kdf5]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

Okay. Thanks for straightening me out.

Now. About my competitive balance issue. (Which sounds like a medical condition.)

If, in the first "half" of an overtime, Team A scores a FG and Team B fouls, Team B will probably be facing a 1st and goal from the 15, 20, or 25. If, in the bottom "half" of the overtime, Team B scores a successful FG to tie the game, Team B could then choose to enforce the penalty at the succeeding spot. Which, depending on what team chooses what, could translate in to a 1st and goal from the 15, 20 or 25, or, perhaps the 5 should Team B wind up on defense the first "half" of the next overtime.

Is that a proper summation?

Right. If the FG ties the game after each team has a series then it's either going to be first and long for the offending team or first and short for the offended team.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by yankeesfan

on the first possession in overtime, team A scores a touchdown. on the play, team B has a live ball personal foul facemask penalty. can team A have the option to take the penalty on the try or have it put on the succeeding spot?

CANADIAN RULING:

A can move the convert to the B-1, or require B to start the bottom of the inning from the 50.