foul in overtime

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BroKen62

I understand that fouls during a "touchdown" scoring play cannot be carried over during overtime because there is no subsequent kickoff, but fouls during the try can be carried over during OT because of the "succeeding spot" language, Right?

You're making this harder than it is. For fouls on scoring plays where there will not be a kickoff, enforce the penalty from the succeeding spot.

The succeeding spot might be a try, if the score was a TD, or it might be an overtime spot, if the foul occurred during a try or FG.

[BroKen62]

Originally Posted by mbyron

You're making this harder than it is. For fouls on scoring plays where there will not be a kickoff, enforce the penalty from the succeeding spot.

The succeeding spot might be a try, if the score was a TD, or it might be an overtime spot, if the foul occurred during a try or FG.

Originally Posted by yankeesfan

on the first possession in overtime, team A scores a touchdown. on the play, team B has a live ball personal foul facemask penalty. can team A have the option to take the penalty on the try or have it put on the succeeding spot?

So what you are saying is that, since this is an overtime play and there is no subsequent kickoff, the penalty should be enforced from the succeeding spot - the try? But, if the penalty happened during the try, A could have the option to accept and replay, or apply the penalty to the succeeding spot, which would be B's first possession?

That's exactly what I'm saying. There is a provision in OT for accepting a score and marking the penalty off from the succeeding spot. The fact that there is no subsequent kickoff does not preclude that.

[ppaltice]

Scoring play is not the correct terminology, because there are a few ways you can score (TD, try, FG, and safety). Each have their on provisions for fouls that occur during the play.

The OP specified touchdown. On a foul by the defense that occurs during a TD, the penalty may be assessed on either the try or the subsequent kickoff. If the foul occurs during OT, there is no subsequent KO, so the penalty can only be assessed on the try (Rule 8-2-2).

If the penalty by the defense occurred during a successful try, A has the option of having the penalty assessed on the try and replaying or on the succeeding spot (which means it can carry over to the next series in OT) (Rule 8-3-5).

If the penalty by the defense occured during a successful FG, A has the option of having the penalty assessed from the previous spot and replaying the down or having the penalty assessed on the succeeding spot (next series in OT) (Rule 8-4-3).

No carryover provisions for penalties that occur during a safety (although quarter will not be extended for the kickoff).

Make sense? I think you are trying to bundle all scoring plays into one, and that is just not supported by rule.

[BroKen62]

Originally Posted by ppaltice

Make sense? I think you are trying to bundle all scoring plays into one, and that is just not supported by rule.

Yes, it makes sense, and no, I wasn't trying to bundle all scoring plays into one. Like I posted earlier, I misunderstood your statement " The wording in Rule 8-2-2 is subsequent kickoff, which precludes its use in OT" to mean that you thought there was no carryover provision at all in OT. My bad! Sorry for causing all the confusion, but I was pretty sure, as you have mentioned, that there were certain times in OT when a team could "take the score and have the penalty applied at the succeeding spot," namely, the try. You confirmed that and explained it very well, thank you.

[whitehat]

I think the "suceeding spot" phrase is confusing some. I.E. the KO can be and is a "succeeding spot" so to speak in some cases.

If I understand the rule, once we are in OT nothing changes in terms of what can carry over to the next OT. That is, only fouls on try or FG during OT can be carried over to next OT series.

[Canned Heat]

Originally Posted by whitehat

I think the "suceeding spot" phrase is confusing some. I.E. the KO can be and is a "succeeding spot" so to speak in some cases.

If I understand the rule, once we are in OT nothing changes in terms of what can carry over to the next OT. That is, only fouls on try or FG during OT can be carried over to next OT series.

Correct. That is how I understand it.

[RadioBlue]

Just so I'm crystal clear on this.

In the first series of overtime Team A scores and Team B is called for a facemask foul. Team A's options are: decline, assess on the PAT, or assess on Team B's series (which is the second half of the first overtime)?

However, if the same situation occurs during the second series of the first overtime the only options are declination or assessment on the PAT.

Do I understand this correctly?