foul in overtime

[BroKen62]

Originally Posted by ppaltice

For NFHS, only on the try. The wording in Rule 8-2-2 is subsequent kickoff, which precludes its use in OT.

Actually, although you are spot-on regarding the language of the rule, this caseplay suggests that you can have the foul assessed at the succeeding spot:

8.2.2 SITUATION C: On the last timed down of the fourth period, the opponents of Team A foul on a play where Team A: (a) scores a touchdown that leaves Team A trailing by one point, (b) scores a field goal which ties the game, or (c) scores a touchdown that leaves team A trailing by one point and the opponents also foul on the try. RULING: In (a), Team A has the option to keep the score, with the penalty assessed on the try. The penalty cannot be assessed on the first play of overtime as there is no subsequent kickoff. In (b), Team A has the option to keep the score, with penalty assessment on the first play of overtime as the first play of overtime is the succeeding spot. In (c), Team A may only have the penalty for the opponent foul on the scoring play enforced on the try but cannot carry over the penalty to overtime; however, the foul by the opponent during the try could be enforced on the first play of overtime at Team A’s choice.

Check out the wording of the ruling in (b).

[yankeesfan]

Originally Posted by BroKen62

Actually, although you are spot-on regarding the language of the rule, this caseplay suggests that you can have the foul assessed at the succeeding spot:

8.2.2 SITUATION C: On the last timed down of the fourth period, the opponents of Team A foul on a play where Team A: (a) scores a touchdown that leaves Team A trailing by one point, (b) scores a field goal which ties the game, or (c) scores a touchdown that leaves team A trailing by one point and the opponents also foul on the try. RULING: In (a), Team A has the option to keep the score, with the penalty assessed on the try. The penalty cannot be assessed on the first play of overtime as there is no subsequent kickoff. In (b), Team A has the option to keep the score, with penalty assessment on the first play of overtime as the first play of overtime is the succeeding spot. In (c), Team A may only have the penalty for the opponent foul on the scoring play enforced on the try but cannot carry over the penalty to overtime; however, the foul by the opponent during the try could be enforced on the first play of overtime at Team A’s choice.

Check out the wording of the ruling in (b).

in B there is no try.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by yankeesfan

there is no try. There is only do, or do not.

----Yoda

[BroKen62]

Originally Posted by yankeesfan

in B there is no try.

True, but there is no subsequent kickoff either, which was the point of the post. The option to accept a foul during a scoring play and have it assessed at the succeeding spot in overtime is a valid option. If the foul is on b, A can accept the score and have the foul applied to either the try or the succeeding spot. This caseplay supports that, as they allow the penalt to be carried over to the succeeding spot, which is not a subsequent kickoff, but a snap.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BroKen62

True, but there is no subsequent kickoff either, which was the point of the post. The option to accept a foul during a scoring play and have it assessed at the succeeding spot in overtime is a valid option. If the foul is on b, A can accept the score and have the foul applied to either the try or the succeeding spot. This caseplay supports that, as they allow the penalt to be carried over to the succeeding spot, which is not a subsequent kickoff, but a snap.

The try is the succeeding spot.

In the case play in B, the scoring play is a FG, so the subsequent kickoff is the succeeding spot.

[BroKen62]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

The try is the succeeding spot.

In the case play in B, the scoring play is a FG, so the subsequent kickoff is the succeeding spot.

No, in the case play in B, because the score was a field goal to tie the game on the last play of the game, the succeeding spot is the spot where the ball will first be snapped in OT, determined by the coin toss.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BroKen62

No, in the case play in B, because the score was a field goal to tie the game on the last play of the game, the succeeding spot is the spot where the ball will first be snapped in OT, determined by the coin toss.

Okay, that's true, my bad. The first snap in OT is the succeeding spot.

In the original post, the face mask penalty would have to be assessed on the try, because the try is the succeeding spot. The penalty cannot be assessed on B's 1st down play. B's 1sr down play is not the succeeding spot.

[ODJ]

In case play A: Team A has not tied the score with the TD, so the only guaranteed succeeding spot is the Try.