Time Out before Illegal Substitution

[Dukat]

Once again, This is the issue my crew had with it.

Looking back, I feel we should have thrown the flag. If I am honest w/ myself, I will admit that my hand was on the flag when I heard the whistle from the side for the TO. The foul had occurred, it just had not been called yet.

For those asking, I was inferring to a pre-snap, dead ball call would have been made.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Dukat

Once again, This is the issue my crew had with it.

Looking back, I feel we should have thrown the flag. If I am honest w/ myself, I will admit that my hand was on the flag when I heard the whistle from the side for the TO. The foul had occurred, it just had not been called yet.

For those asking, I was inferring to a pre-snap, dead ball call would have been made.

I think you should have flagged it anyway. I'm not going to crucify you for it though - obviously there are more here that share your view than mine!!! Much to my surprise.

[Dukat]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I think you should have flagged it anyway. I'm not going to crucify you for it though - obviously there are more here that share your view than mine!!! Much to my surprise.

Actually I share your view, I just did not act on it at the time

[cmathews]

Mcrowder I understand your position here. I also think you are misreading how others are viewing it. It isn't advantage disadvantage, it is the cost of the penalty. To me if the coach wants to spend a timeout to "buy" this penalty, then the "cost" is equal or more. IMHO

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by cmathews

Mcrowder I understand your position here. I also think you are misreading how others are viewing it. It isn't advantage disadvantage, it is the cost of the penalty. To me if the coach wants to spend a timeout to "buy" this penalty, then the "cost" is equal or more. IMHO

Fair enough. However, are there any other penalties we would allow a coach to buy back by using a timeout AFTER the infraction? Obviously to that coach, the cost is not equal ... or more (and why is it the official's decision as to whether this is a "fair" price or not?). I just can't understand how the speed at which the referee can confirm and flag this foul should have anything to do with whether it gets called or not. Seems patently unfair and contrary to rule.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Fair enough. However, are there any other penalties we would allow a coach to buy back by using a timeout AFTER the infraction? Obviously to that coach, the cost is not equal ... or more (and why is it the official's decision as to whether this is a "fair" price or not?). I just can't understand how the speed at which the referee can confirm and flag this foul should have anything to do with whether it gets called or not. Seems patently unfair and contrary to rule.

That's if you agree that the infraction actually exists once the timeout is acknowledged. Frankly, I've already stopped counting and am signaling the timeout by then.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by cmathews

Mcrowder I understand your position here. I also think you are misreading how others are viewing it. It isn't advantage disadvantage, it is the cost of the penalty. To me if the coach wants to spend a timeout to "buy" this penalty, then the "cost" is equal or more. IMHO

I don't think fairness permits buying your way out of IS with a time out. I do think, however, that the coach should have the option to withdraw the request once he learns he's being penalized 5 yards anyway.