intentional grounding in end zone

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

This is one I struggled with at one time but I've finally accepted it's a safety wether the foul is accepted or declined. B can't get the ball turned over on downs.

The confusing part of this may be the fact that an illegal forward pass is NOT considered a loose ball play. The succeeding spot is the spot of the pass, not the previous spot, so because both the spot where the play ended and the spot of the foul are both from A's end zone, either choice of accepting the foul or declining it produce a safety.

[bossman72]

They need to de-classify intentional grounding as an illegal forward pass.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bossman72

They need to de-classify intentional grounding as an illegal forward pass.

Why?

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Why?

So you can decline the ING penalty.

[Ed Hickland]

Originally Posted by bossman72

They need to de-classify intentional grounding as an illegal forward pass.

It is not a legal pass, therefore, not a loose ball play, it is a running play. Where is the enforcement spot?

[Hand Signals]

Yankeesfan,

I know which play you are asking about and it has been determined by the state that the correct call was made. Whether the penalty was accepted or declined the result would be the same....safety. There is still plenty of dispute concerning when the call was made. There is a very grey area as to when a previous call can be reversed because there is nothing in the rules that spells it out. The rules only dictate how long a coach has to ask for a conference.

My guess would be that it has to be changed before the ball becomes live again but there is no rule that says that. But I'll bet there will be next year.

[yankeesfan]

Originally Posted by Hand Signals

Yankeesfan,

I know which play you are asking about and it has been determined by the state that the correct call was made. Whether the penalty was accepted or declined the result would be the same....safety. There is still plenty of dispute concerning when the call was made. There is a very grey area as to when a previous call can be reversed because there is nothing in the rules that spells it out. The rules only dictate how long a coach has to ask for a conference.

My guess would be that it has to be changed before the ball becomes live again but there is no rule that says that. But I'll bet there will be next year.

i agree 100% the right call was made.

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by Ed Hickland

It is not a legal pass, therefore, not a loose ball play, it is a running play. Where is the enforcement spot?

That's why I said they need to not classify it as an illegal forward pass. This is so they can decline the penalty. Make it a legal forward pass, but the act of intentional grounding is a foul. Hell, it already has it's own signal. If ING is called, you are pretty much forced to take it.