Penalty enforcement

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Sonofanump

During a NCAA game this year (maybe a Thursday night ESPN game), a U of Cincinnati receiver caught a ball and attempted to get to the goal line. He thought he did, ripped off his helmet and USC celebrated. After review of the play, it was determined that he was out at the one. A's ball, first and ten from the 16.

Both enforcements are essentially the same. In the original sample play, the holding penalty, during the live ball, negates the apparent TD and is enforced from the spot of the foul (if during a run), previous spot (if during a pass), and the down is repeated. After that live ball foul is enforced, the dead ball foul is enforced from the subsequent spot.

In your example, there was no live ball foul, the play simply ended at the 1 yard line. After the play, the dead ball foul is enforced from the subsequent spot.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by ajmc

Both enforcements are essentially the same. In the original sample play, the holding penalty, during the live ball, negates the apparent TD and is enforced from the spot of the foul (if during a run), previous spot (if during a pass), and the down is repeated. After that live ball foul is enforced, the dead ball foul is enforced from the subsequent spot.

In your example, there was no live ball foul, the play simply ended at the 1 yard line. After the play, the dead ball foul is enforced from the subsequent spot.

You are 100% correct but you missed his point. He was commenting on a play where a player would be penalized for celebrating a TD that didn't actually happen because of the live ball foul. Depending on the situation and the extent of the celebration, you might let that go.

Along the same lines, what if a player is ruled down by contact or stepped out of bounds but he continues to run. If there is no immediate whistle and it may not be obvious to the defensive players the down has ended, do you give the defense a little more leniency on a hit that occurs while the offensive player is still running?

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

You are 100% correct but you missed his point. He was commenting on a play where a player would be penalized for celebrating a TD that didn't actually happen because of the live ball foul. Depending on the situation and the extent of the celebration, you might let that go.

Along the same lines, what if a player is ruled down by contact or stepped out of bounds but he continues to run. If there is no immediate whistle and it may not be obvious to the defensive players the down has ended, do you give the defense a little more leniency on a hit that occurs while the offensive player is still running?

The original question included that a flag for celebration was thrown. I presume all the factors regarding the extent of the celebration were taken into consideration before deciding whether or not a flag was called for. Once the flag is thrown, for whatever behavior was displayed, I would not consider ignoring, or reversing, it because the outcome of the play changed.

Unfortunately for the player, the undoing of an otherwise score only highlites and magnifies the ignorance of the celebration.

[Sonofanump]

Originally Posted by ajmc

The original question included that a flag for celebration was thrown. I presume all the factors regarding the extent of the celebration were taken into consideration before deciding whether or not a flag was called for. Once the flag is thrown, for whatever behavior was displayed, I would not consider ignoring, or reversing, it because the outcome of the play changed.

Unfortunately for the player, the undoing of an otherwise score only highlites and magnifies the ignorance of the celebration.

Then we are on the same page as was this D1 crew working a game on ESPN for all to see.

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