Retracting a Penalty Decision

[jaybird]

If the first kick try was good, why did they accept the penalty and then end up kicking the try again? Proof that college coaches can be as dim as some high school coaches.

[Fan10]

Originally Posted by jaybird

If the first kick try was good, why did they accept the penalty and then end up kicking the try again? Proof that college coaches can be as dim as some high school coaches.

He thought that he was getting the ball at the 1 1/2 and wanted to go for 2 from there. When he realized it was at the 4, he realized his mistake.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Fan10

He thought that he was getting the ball at the 1 1/2 and wanted to go for 2 from there. When he realized it was at the 4, he realized his mistake.

That doesn't answer jaybird's question. After that "realization," it was still not too late to decline the penalty.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by mbyron

That doesn't answer jaybird's question. After that "realization," it was still not too late to decline the penalty.

NF:2-32-5-c, clearly designates the "Captain" to "represent his team during: (c) Penalty decisions following a foul". NF:10-1, states, "a captain's decision may not be revoked".

Although it's fairly common practice to explain penalty options to a captain, within earshot of his coach who may subsequently advise the captain on what decision to make, at the NFHS level, the actual choice should be made by the captain. Although the captain may be delivering the preferences and instructions of the coach (100%) the actual official decision should be delivered by the captain.

[jaybird]

..the actual official decision should be delivered by the captain.

Coach: I want to decline the penalty.
Referee: Sorry coach, I can't accept that. I have to have a decision from a captain.
Coach: Both captains were injuried and they are at the hospital.
Referee: Go get one of them for me.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ajmc

NF:2-32-5-c, clearly designates the "Captain" to "represent his team during: (c) Penalty decisions following a foul". NF:10-1, states, "a captain's decision may not be revoked".

Although it's fairly common practice to explain penalty options to a captain, within earshot of his coach who may subsequently advise the captain on what decision to make, at the NFHS level, the actual choice should be made by the captain. Although the captain may be delivering the preferences and instructions of the coach (100%) the actual official decision should be delivered by the captain.

Rulebook officiating lacking common sense.

On complex penalties or when I'm close to the team bench, I ask the coach every time. It's quicker and leaves no room for the kid screwing it up.

Rule #1: Do not let the kid screw up by making the wrong choice.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Rulebook officiating lacking common sense.

On complex penalties or when I'm close to the team bench, I ask the coach every time. It's quicker and leaves no room for the kid screwing it up.

Rule #1: Do not let the kid screw up by making the wrong choice.

With all due respect RichMSN you are simply wrong, and what's worse unnecessarily so. Perhaps I overstated somewhat suggesting, "it's fairly common practice to explain penalty options to a captain, within earshot of his coach who may subsequently advise the captain on what decision to make", but those who have mastered that ability are able to accomplish what you are suggesting, without ignoring the clearly stated rule.

It's really not up to either one of us to determine if the player selected as a team captain is smart enough or mature enough to make the decisions his team, and the rules, have entrusted him to do. It's not really hard at all to involve a coach, subtlety, in the decision process to whatever extent deemed necessary, without ignoring the team captain and insulting his intelligence.

[Ed Hickland]

Originally Posted by ajmc

With all due respect RichMSN you are simply wrong, and what's worse unnecessarily so. Perhaps I overstated somewhat suggesting, "it's fairly common practice to explain penalty options to a captain, within earshot of his coach who may subsequently advise the captain on what decision to make", but those who have mastered that ability are able to accomplish what you are suggesting, without ignoring the clearly stated rule.

It's really not up to either one of us to determine if the player selected as a team captain is smart enough or mature enough to make the decisions his team, and the rules, have entrusted him to do. It's not really hard at all to involve a coach, subtlety, in the decision process to whatever extent deemed necessary, without ignoring the team captain and insulting his intelligence.

Al, give me all the complex words you can conjure but you illustrate all the understanding of someone whose complete empirical knowledge comes from Madden Football.

The reason experienced Rs do not rely absolutely on the captain for penalty decisions is because football is complex and some penalty decisions depend upon the complete knowledge of a team's ability and strategy somethng that may not be known by a captain. The coaching staff may make a penalty decision based upon the ability of the players or it could be the coaching staff has a strategy beyond the simple penalty decision. Remember a good team is a team and a captain knows his role and relies upon his coach for guidance even at the pro level, or, more so at the pro level.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ajmc

With all due respect RichMSN you are simply wrong, and what's worse unnecessarily so.

I'll give your opinion all that it deserves. That's enough, now.