Kicked PAT

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Forksref

When do you sound your whistle on a kicked PAT and WHO does it? (5-man)

CANADIAN MECHANICS:

The convert is dead once the ball is kicked, so if the LS is:

• on or inside the B-10, the Referee sounds the whistle when the call is kicked and rules on the attempt,
• outside the B-10, the BU and HL under the uprights sound+signal once the ball is wide or good

[Reffing Rev.]

Blowing the whistle as soon as the ball clears, while accepted in many locations is technically speaking an IW as the ball doesn't become dead until either the kick is successful or obviously unsuccessful.

Whenever an official is certain the PAT kick is unsuccessful he should blow the play dead. Whenever any official...R, BJ, whatever.

Slower on the whistle prevents mistakes. Especially in FED when their is a difference between PAT and FG. SLOW DOWN.

[VALJ]

In Central Va. we have the BJ take the whistle.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

Blowing the whistle as soon as the ball clears, while accepted in many locations is technically speaking an IW as the ball doesn't become dead until either the kick is successful or obviously unsuccessful.

Whenever an official is certain the PAT kick is unsuccessful he should blow the play dead. Whenever any official...R, BJ, whatever.

Slower on the whistle prevents mistakes. Especially in FED when their is a difference between PAT and FG. SLOW DOWN.

And I couldn't possibly care if it's technically anything. I blow it (as the R) as soon as (well, about a second after) it's kicked. I just watched video of our first game and the timing couldn't be more natural.

I'm smart enough to not blow it on a FG. I'm too busy reminding everyone else to stay off their whistles.

[ppaltice]

Ina Alabama...

On PATs with kicks that cross the GL, the BJ (or SJ) blows the whistle. On PATs that are blocked and don't cross the GL, R blows the whistle.

On FGs, only the BJ (or SJ) blows the whistle for kicks that cross the GL.

[Ref inSoCA]

BJ (5) or LJ (4) is the only whistle.

If you blow it when it is kicked it you are killing the ball and it cannot score.

[NorCalRef12]

Originally Posted by Ref inSoCA

BJ (5) or LJ (4) is the only whistle.

If you blow it when it is kicked it you are killing the ball and it cannot score.

But on a try, once it is kicked, it will be either be good or no good. K cannot pickup a blocked kick in advance. As the BJ, once I see the ball in the air I'm on the whistle to let the lineman know that the play is over. The Umpire begins talking to the players as well.

Is this an IW? Yes, but this is just the mechanic that our association uses. Once foot meets ball, nothing else can happen.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by NorCalRef12

But on a try, once it is kicked, it will be either be good or no good. K cannot pickup a blocked kick in advance. As the BJ, once I see the ball in the air I'm on the whistle to let the lineman know that the play is over. The Umpire begins talking to the players as well.

Is this an IW? Yes, but this is just the mechanic that our association uses. Once foot meets ball, nothing else can happen.

Our mechanic is basically the same, once the kicked ball clears the line, there's a whistle, the aim of which is to alert the line play that the down, for all practical purposes is over. On a PAT, when you come down to it, there's probably less than a full second that transpires between the ball passing over the line, and traveling through the uprights, so the IW risk is nonexistent.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Ref inSoCA

BJ (5) or LJ (4) is the only whistle.

If you blow it when it is kicked it you are killing the ball and it cannot score.

Stunning how we count it EVERY time even though we blow the whistle.

Nobody has ever marked anyone down where I'm from for this.

[Theisey]

If you use standard NFHS mechanics (5-man), the R whistles the play over if and only if the TRY is blocked. Otherwise, the BJ takes the whistle.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

Blowing the whistle as soon as the ball clears, while accepted in many locations is technically speaking an IW as the ball doesn't become dead until either the kick is successful or obviously unsuccessful.

Whenever an official is certain the PAT kick is unsuccessful he should blow the play dead. Whenever any official...R, BJ, whatever.

Slower on the whistle prevents mistakes. Especially in FED when their is a difference between PAT and FG. SLOW DOWN.

I'm waiting for the first coach to call a time out to discuss a rule interpretation on this. He's technically right so you can't charge him a time-out. You'll have to appeal to his common sense and explain that while technically you had an IW, you are not going to call it in this instance.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

I'm waiting for the first coach to call a time out to discuss a rule interpretation on this. He's technically right so you can't charge him a time-out. You'll have to appeal to his common sense and explain that while technically you had an IW, you are not going to call it in this instance.

That would cost the coach a time out and the conference would be very short, indeed.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

That would cost the coach a time out and the conference would be very short, indeed.

Except he would technically be right! The whistle sounded before the ball went through the uprights. That kills the play right there. I agree he's being silly but what would you tell him?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

Except he would technically be right! The whistle sounded before the ball went through the uprights. That kills the play right there. I agree he's being silly but what would you tell him?

(Never mind.)

Frankly, this whole discussion is silly. I'd probably tell the coach he was being silly, too, and let the wing deal with him.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

I'm waiting for the first coach to call a time out to discuss a rule interpretation on this. He's technically right so you can't charge him a time-out. You'll have to appeal to his common sense and explain that while technically you had an IW, you are not going to call it in this instance.

Then again, the instant you realized what this fool was asking for the time out to discuss, you could simply ignore him and go on with your regular duties. If he wanted to make an issue out of it, he has the absolute right to complain to the appropriate authorities, which would only clarify to them what a fool he is.