Kicked PAT

[Reffing Rev.]

Blowing the whistle as soon as the ball clears, while accepted in many locations is technically speaking an IW as the ball doesn't become dead until either the kick is successful or obviously unsuccessful.

Whenever an official is certain the PAT kick is unsuccessful he should blow the play dead. Whenever any official...R, BJ, whatever.

Slower on the whistle prevents mistakes. Especially in FED when their is a difference between PAT and FG. SLOW DOWN.

[VALJ]

In Central Va. we have the BJ take the whistle.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

Blowing the whistle as soon as the ball clears, while accepted in many locations is technically speaking an IW as the ball doesn't become dead until either the kick is successful or obviously unsuccessful.

Whenever an official is certain the PAT kick is unsuccessful he should blow the play dead. Whenever any official...R, BJ, whatever.

Slower on the whistle prevents mistakes. Especially in FED when their is a difference between PAT and FG. SLOW DOWN.

And I couldn't possibly care if it's technically anything. I blow it (as the R) as soon as (well, about a second after) it's kicked. I just watched video of our first game and the timing couldn't be more natural.

I'm smart enough to not blow it on a FG. I'm too busy reminding everyone else to stay off their whistles.

[ppaltice]

Ina Alabama...

On PATs with kicks that cross the GL, the BJ (or SJ) blows the whistle. On PATs that are blocked and don't cross the GL, R blows the whistle.

On FGs, only the BJ (or SJ) blows the whistle for kicks that cross the GL.

[Ref inSoCA]

BJ (5) or LJ (4) is the only whistle.

If you blow it when it is kicked it you are killing the ball and it cannot score.

[NorCalRef12]

Originally Posted by Ref inSoCA

BJ (5) or LJ (4) is the only whistle.

If you blow it when it is kicked it you are killing the ball and it cannot score.

But on a try, once it is kicked, it will be either be good or no good. K cannot pickup a blocked kick in advance. As the BJ, once I see the ball in the air I'm on the whistle to let the lineman know that the play is over. The Umpire begins talking to the players as well.

Is this an IW? Yes, but this is just the mechanic that our association uses. Once foot meets ball, nothing else can happen.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by NorCalRef12

But on a try, once it is kicked, it will be either be good or no good. K cannot pickup a blocked kick in advance. As the BJ, once I see the ball in the air I'm on the whistle to let the lineman know that the play is over. The Umpire begins talking to the players as well.

Is this an IW? Yes, but this is just the mechanic that our association uses. Once foot meets ball, nothing else can happen.

Our mechanic is basically the same, once the kicked ball clears the line, there's a whistle, the aim of which is to alert the line play that the down, for all practical purposes is over. On a PAT, when you come down to it, there's probably less than a full second that transpires between the ball passing over the line, and traveling through the uprights, so the IW risk is nonexistent.

[Mike L]

I guess I find it odd that in most places in every situation except a try the generally accepted thing to do is be very slow on whistles. I understand the reasoning for that fast try whistle, I just don't accept the need.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Ref inSoCA

BJ (5) or LJ (4) is the only whistle.

If you blow it when it is kicked it you are killing the ball and it cannot score.

Stunning how we count it EVERY time even though we blow the whistle.

Nobody has ever marked anyone down where I'm from for this.

[Theisey]

If you use standard NFHS mechanics (5-man), the R whistles the play over if and only if the TRY is blocked. Otherwise, the BJ takes the whistle.

[Texas Aggie]

NCAA: Backjudge is the only one with the whistle even in his mouth to blow. However, defenses can return the PAT for their own score in our rules. The BJ will blow as soon as the ball passes them (or hits the EZ untouched), look at the LJ (or FG), say "Yes," or "No" and then they both signal. Obviously, the one making the call on their side will initiate the yes/no.

I guess another question is, regardless of code, which official makes the call if the two under the uprights for whatever reason disagree?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Theisey

If you use standard NFHS mechanics (5-man), the R whistles the play over if and only if the TRY is blocked. Otherwise, the BJ takes the whistle.

We don't. Oh well.

I would if I could count on a strong, consistent whistle, but I can't. So I blow it. It hasn't done us in yet.

If I worked NCAA rules, I would not (BTW).

[Canned Heat]

Originally Posted by Theisey

If you use standard NFHS mechanics (5-man), the R whistles the play over if and only if the TRY is blocked. Otherwise, the BJ takes the whistle.

That's what we do now. My former crew once worked with our white hat a long ways off from the goal line (54 yard attempt...kid made 50 earlier) and whistled a long FG kick dead when he thought it had crossed the goal line and it hadn't. Ugly IW.

[NJumpire9]

IN NJ, BJ has the whistle in a 5 man crew, and R only if the kick is blocked.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

Blowing the whistle as soon as the ball clears, while accepted in many locations is technically speaking an IW as the ball doesn't become dead until either the kick is successful or obviously unsuccessful.

Whenever an official is certain the PAT kick is unsuccessful he should blow the play dead. Whenever any official...R, BJ, whatever.

Slower on the whistle prevents mistakes. Especially in FED when their is a difference between PAT and FG. SLOW DOWN.

I'm waiting for the first coach to call a time out to discuss a rule interpretation on this. He's technically right so you can't charge him a time-out. You'll have to appeal to his common sense and explain that while technically you had an IW, you are not going to call it in this instance.