Kicked PAT

[Forksref]

When do you sound your whistle on a kicked PAT and WHO does it? (5-man)

[Warrenkicker]

R should blow the whistle and it his his determination as to when to blow it. If he knows the kick was not blocked, pretty easy to determine by a lack of sound of a block, he should blow it pretty quickly once it leaves his peripheral vision. If it is blocked then he can see the best when it is obvious the kick will not score if the ball comes back into the backfield.

[Bullycon]

Seems to be a crew-by-crew thing here. Some want the back judge to blow it. Some want the linesman to blow it.

[kdf5]

On our crew the R takes the whistle on trys and the guys under the pipes take the whistle on FG's.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Forksref

When do you sound your whistle on a kicked PAT and WHO does it? (5-man)

CANADIAN MECHANICS:

The convert is dead once the ball is kicked, so if the LS is:

• on or inside the B-10, the Referee sounds the whistle when the call is kicked and rules on the attempt,
• outside the B-10, the BU and HL under the uprights sound+signal once the ball is wide or good

[Reffing Rev.]

Blowing the whistle as soon as the ball clears, while accepted in many locations is technically speaking an IW as the ball doesn't become dead until either the kick is successful or obviously unsuccessful.

Whenever an official is certain the PAT kick is unsuccessful he should blow the play dead. Whenever any official...R, BJ, whatever.

Slower on the whistle prevents mistakes. Especially in FED when their is a difference between PAT and FG. SLOW DOWN.

[VALJ]

In Central Va. we have the BJ take the whistle.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

Blowing the whistle as soon as the ball clears, while accepted in many locations is technically speaking an IW as the ball doesn't become dead until either the kick is successful or obviously unsuccessful.

Whenever an official is certain the PAT kick is unsuccessful he should blow the play dead. Whenever any official...R, BJ, whatever.

Slower on the whistle prevents mistakes. Especially in FED when their is a difference between PAT and FG. SLOW DOWN.

And I couldn't possibly care if it's technically anything. I blow it (as the R) as soon as (well, about a second after) it's kicked. I just watched video of our first game and the timing couldn't be more natural.

I'm smart enough to not blow it on a FG. I'm too busy reminding everyone else to stay off their whistles.

[ppaltice]

Ina Alabama...

On PATs with kicks that cross the GL, the BJ (or SJ) blows the whistle. On PATs that are blocked and don't cross the GL, R blows the whistle.

On FGs, only the BJ (or SJ) blows the whistle for kicks that cross the GL.

[Ref inSoCA]

BJ (5) or LJ (4) is the only whistle.

If you blow it when it is kicked it you are killing the ball and it cannot score.

[NorCalRef12]

Originally Posted by Ref inSoCA

BJ (5) or LJ (4) is the only whistle.

If you blow it when it is kicked it you are killing the ball and it cannot score.

But on a try, once it is kicked, it will be either be good or no good. K cannot pickup a blocked kick in advance. As the BJ, once I see the ball in the air I'm on the whistle to let the lineman know that the play is over. The Umpire begins talking to the players as well.

Is this an IW? Yes, but this is just the mechanic that our association uses. Once foot meets ball, nothing else can happen.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by NorCalRef12

But on a try, once it is kicked, it will be either be good or no good. K cannot pickup a blocked kick in advance. As the BJ, once I see the ball in the air I'm on the whistle to let the lineman know that the play is over. The Umpire begins talking to the players as well.

Is this an IW? Yes, but this is just the mechanic that our association uses. Once foot meets ball, nothing else can happen.

Our mechanic is basically the same, once the kicked ball clears the line, there's a whistle, the aim of which is to alert the line play that the down, for all practical purposes is over. On a PAT, when you come down to it, there's probably less than a full second that transpires between the ball passing over the line, and traveling through the uprights, so the IW risk is nonexistent.

[Mike L]

I guess I find it odd that in most places in every situation except a try the generally accepted thing to do is be very slow on whistles. I understand the reasoning for that fast try whistle, I just don't accept the need.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Ref inSoCA

BJ (5) or LJ (4) is the only whistle.

If you blow it when it is kicked it you are killing the ball and it cannot score.

Stunning how we count it EVERY time even though we blow the whistle.

Nobody has ever marked anyone down where I'm from for this.

[Theisey]

If you use standard NFHS mechanics (5-man), the R whistles the play over if and only if the TRY is blocked. Otherwise, the BJ takes the whistle.