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I totally agree with not throwing a ball off after a COP until you have the replacement. It's not our job to go chasing the ball boy around the sideline looking for a new ball. IF the ball isn't ready we're playing with the one we have.
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Excuse me, RefUmpWelsch, I was not responding to the behavior mentioned in the original example. The reaction to those restrictions and any arrogance or annoyance at the request seems fairly obvious. I don't know about "perogative", but choosing to insist on an unusual, one sided, restriction regarding the exchange of footballs seems unnecessary and a really poor way to elicit cooperation before the start of a game.
The point I was trying to make, is that neither team is entitled to, or should receive, ANY special treatment related to the pace of the RFP for ANY reason, much less when it's suggested when a change of pace is intended to give one team an advantage. There are all sorts of "issues" to deal with relating to ballboys and/or exchanges of game balls. Unfortunately, the primary factors are usually where you are and what resources are made available to you. Some venues provide excellent assistance, some offer horrible help, and you have to figure out the best way to deal with what you've got. Thankfully, we have great leeway to do what we think will be best. |
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See, and I'm totally cool with there being certain matters of individual style and preference with regards to white hats (and with crews). If your referee wants it done a certain way, do it that way. When you're the crew chief, you can do it your way.
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[QUOTE=ajmc;554925]The point I was trying to make, is that neither team is entitled to, or should receive, ANY special treatment related to the pace of the RFP for ANY reason, much less when it's suggested when a change of pace is intended to give one team an advantage.[QUOTE]
I think you better re-read the original post. The officials gave special treatment to the home team, after the visiting coach mentioned his offense was a hurry-up offense. The coach was trying to equalize it, and I'll admit he went a little bit too far with his reasoning, but he was put at a disadvantage by the officiating crew AFTER he originally stated he had a hurry-up offense. Not to judge the crew, the posting made it sound like the crew heard "hurry-up" and and became offended by it. That's the arrogance I was speaking of. |
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[QUOTE=Ref Ump Welsch;555000][QUOTE=ajmc;554925]The point I was trying to make, is that neither team is entitled to, or should receive, ANY special treatment related to the pace of the RFP for ANY reason, much less when it's suggested when a change of pace is intended to give one team an advantage.
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This method works well for us.
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Excuse me RefumpWelsch, I understood the example accurately, which is why I mentioned I was suggesting something associated with a previous, related, issue about exchanging footballs.
Is it possible I could have made it clearer that I would not recommend the restrictions imposed by the referee in the sample question? Was there some part of, "unnecessary and a really poor way to elicit cooperation before the start of a game" that led you to a conclusion I was being supportive? The secret is simply; don't don't be complicit, even unintentionally, in doing something that might allow either team to gain any unearned advantage. |
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There's no reason for the wings to come in. They start on the sidelines. Ball boy runs ball to umpire. Umpire spots ball while ball boy leaves field. Wings are in position. Ready for play. Not having to handle the ball frees them to count players, line up, etc. Throwing the ball around unnecessarily is also something we try to avoid. Last edited by Rich; Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 03:09pm. |
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Well, that's sage advice, it seems to me.
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If I had seven, I would probably handle it a bit differently (using a deep wing and leaving the ball boy off the field). But I don't and probably never will at the high school level.
My crew spends a lot of time talking about things like this when we meet before, during, and after the season. One of the advantages, I think, of having a set crew. |
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It surely is.
When you're like some of us and constantly working with different people, you may run into the same WH from time to time and know how they like things done, and that's fine, but you end up, by default, just going along and it's not as smooth as it is when you're on a crew. Because I can tell you, we don't spend a lot of time talking about anything on a subvarsity game with a mix-and-match crew. And I think it's to the detriment of everybody.
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