San Diego/Denver

[JasonTX]

Originally Posted by fljet

If I was ed I would have found a way to have thrown a flag on Denver on either the final 4th down play or the 2 pointer to redeem myself, having known that I just completely hosed a team that fought back from a 21-3 deficit and obviously would have won the game had I not choked.

Obviously you aren't an official. Our integrity is much better than that. Missed calls are never good, but in the eyes of officials, phantom calls are much worse. 2 wrongs don't make it right. Suppose the chargers sacked the QB instead of the whistle being blown. Guess what. The chargers still have to stop Denver twice. The chargers still would have lost. If you are upset at the officiating this why don't you walk in our shoes for 1 game. You'd freeze up and wouldn't have a clue. I know, I was a fan once. I quit complaining and became an official. Not long after that I realized that officials are right the majority of the time, and most of the things I complained about were flat out wrong. Fans don't know the rules, they don't no the intents or philosophy of the rules. You see, you complain about holding on some plays, but the fact is, what you are seeing may be perfectly legal.

[mj]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

Obviously you aren't an official. Our integrity is much better than that. Missed calls are never good, but in the eyes of officials, phantom calls are much worse. 2 wrongs don't make it right. Suppose the chargers sacked the QB instead of the whistle being blown. Guess what. The chargers still have to stop Denver twice. The chargers still would have lost. If you are upset at the officiating this why don't you walk in our shoes for 1 game. You'd freeze up and wouldn't have a clue. I know, I was a fan once. I quit complaining and became an official. Not long after that I realized that officials are right the majority of the time, and most of the things I complained about were flat out wrong. Fans don't know the rules, they don't no the intents or philosophy of the rules. You see, you complain about holding on some plays, but the fact is, what you are seeing may be perfectly legal.

Ditto for me. What an eye opener it is once you get on the field/court.

[fljet]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

Obviously you aren't an official. Our integrity is much better than that. Missed calls are never good, but in the eyes of officials, phantom calls are much worse. 2 wrongs don't make it right. Suppose the chargers sacked the QB instead of the whistle being blown. Guess what. The chargers still have to stop Denver twice. The chargers still would have lost. If you are upset at the officiating this why don't you walk in our shoes for 1 game. You'd freeze up and wouldn't have a clue. I know, I was a fan once. I quit complaining and became an official. Not long after that I realized that officials are right the majority of the time, and most of the things I complained about were flat out wrong. Fans don't know the rules, they don't no the intents or philosophy of the rules. You see, you complain about holding on some plays, but the fact is, what you are seeing may be perfectly legal.

I am a san diego fan, however I was pointing out that there were multiple missed calls in the game, and the equipment failure, which is extremely hard to handle. Which is why San Diego fans are very upset. Two of the issues resulted in HUGE momentum shifts which are difficult for a VISITING team to overcome. If you know as much as you think you know about football it is a game of momentum.
I am an official and do understand the game moves a hundred miles a minute, I just expect NFL referees not to make such a petty mistake. A good analogy for Ed's mistake would be if I am a Bank teller and I cant count. Good whistle control is one of the top keys to being a good official.
I must admit Ed has never been a favorite of mine, He is the most recognized official due to his explanations and his biceps.

The amount of time the media has spent on this deal proves how bad the chargers got screwed, everyone keeps saying oh your defense should have stopped them but again, if the call was handled properly and they were awarded the turnover they deserved, then we are not having this conversation.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fljet

The amount of time the media has spent on this deal proves how bad the chargers got screwed, everyone keeps saying oh your defense should have stopped them but again, if the call was handled properly and they were awarded the turnover they deserved, then we are not having this conversation.

It is true that if the call was not made, then we might not be in this situation. However, it is also true if the Chargers stopped the same play being, run twice (Denver lost yardage by the way on the IW) then we are not likely having this conversation either. It works both ways and that is what most here are saying on this topic. No one is saying that this was not an unfortunate call. However, there were many things that took place in the game and when a team scores over 30 points on your team and comes from behind, at some point you have to look yourself in the mirror. At least I am wondering when Charger fans will look their team in the mirror just as Washington needed to last week.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by fljet

I am an official .........

No, you're not. You're a whiny, run-of-the-mall standard-issue fanboy masquerading as an official, just like SanDiegoSteve. There's major differences, one being that real officials don't want any part of fanboy-officials. That's because we're afraid to turn our backs on 'em.

Sorry, but there it is......

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

No, you're not. You're a whiny, run-of-the-mall standard-issue fanboy masquerading as an official, just like SanDiegoSteve. There's major differences, one being that real officials don't want any part of fanboy-officials. That's because we're afraid to turn our backs on 'em.

Sorry, but there it is......

Do you mind starting a poll?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Do you mind starting a poll?

As long as the fanboys posing as real officials don't get a vote......

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

No, you're not. You're a whiny, run-of-the-mall standard-issue fanboy masquerading as an official, just like SanDiegoSteve. There's major differences, one being that real officials don't want any part of fanboy-officials. That's because we're afraid to turn our backs on 'em.

Sorry, but there it is......

Nice to see an esteemed member rise up from the peanut gallery.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by welpe

nice to see an esteemed member rise up from the peanut gallery. :d

Grin......

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fljet

The amount of time the media has spent on this deal proves

This right here proves you're not an official; at least not an official who's done more than 5 games above the YMCA level.

Your Honor, I rest my case.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by fljet

The amount of time the media has spent on this deal proves how bad the chargers got screwed

Every time I try to prove something about officiating I always think to myself "how much time has the media spent on this deal?"

[lpneck]

Basketball official here delurking...

I keep seeing the phrase "inadvertant whistle" thrown around. It wasn't an inadvertant whistle, right? He simply ruled it an incomplete pass, which would REQUIRE that he blows his whistle.

Am I missing something?

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by lpneck

Basketball official here delurking...

I keep seeing the phrase "inadvertant whistle" thrown around. It wasn't an inadvertant whistle, right? He simply ruled it an incomplete pass, which would REQUIRE that he blows his whistle.

Am I missing something?

Yes, it was ruled an incomplete pass by the R. I don't think that the IW signal was given in the Dever or Dallas games.

Also blowing the whistle is not required when the down ends (runner is tackeled, incomplete pass), some downs do not have a whistle after them.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by lpneck

Basketball official here delurking...

I keep seeing the phrase "inadvertant whistle" thrown around. It wasn't an inadvertant whistle, right? He simply ruled it an incomplete pass, which would REQUIRE that he blows his whistle.

Am I missing something?

Yes it was ruled in inadvertent whistle. This is why they put the ball on the 10 yard line instead of the previous spot or original line of scrimmage.

Peace

[lpneck]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yes it was ruled in inadvertent whistle. This is why they put the ball on the 10 yard line instead of the previous spot or original line of scrimmage.

Peace

I think I get it... he ORIGINALLY thought he was ruling an incomplete pass, but then they reviewed it, and he realized it SHOULD have been a fumble, so that changed his whistle for the incomplete pass into an IW, and changed the spot.

Sorry, I'm like 4 days behind.

JRut- enjoyed working basketball last year, hope we get to do it again in the future... (We had a great game at a D2 school where we nailed a few calls at the end. I had the one with :01 left against the home team...)