A-11 Offense ??

[Fadamor]

As a VHSL head linesman, what amazed me is how much of the YouTube video of the A11 offense contained illegal activity that should have been flagged. The first clip had the "deep" back only 6 yards from the line of scrimmage (illegal formation) and the next play shown had an illegal shift due to the final motion man not waiting 1 second after the previous shift to start his motion.

The A11 formation may be legal, but it apparently spawns a plethora of OTHER illegal activity - all in the name of "confusing the defense" (and apparently the officials, too, as none of the things I noted were flagged). Keep the offense within the other rules and the defenses facing them might have less difficulty adjusting.

[TXMike]

Someone sent me a DVD of the offense and there were an incredible amount of flags for illegal formations and shifts (and this from a team that "invented" the offense.)

[Fadamor]

Originally Posted by TXMike

Someone sent me a DVD of the offense and there were an incredible amount of flags for illegal formations and shifts (and this from a team that "invented" the offense.)

Yeah, I figured as much. If there were that many un-flagged infractions that were in their promotional video, I'm sure there were many more downs that did catch flags (and therefore weren't suitable for their video).

[STEVED21]

Originally Posted by Fadamor

Yeah, I figured as much. If there were that many un-flagged infractions that were in their promotional video, I'm sure there were many more downs that did catch flags (and therefore weren't suitable for their video).

Just watched the video. Looks like an illegal formation on every other play. Also, it seems easy to key the type of play off the inside WR. If he goes down field( as in ineligible) it's a screen. If he doesn't ( and drops back to block) it's a long pass. If I can see this in 10 minutes, imagine what a good coach can do.

[Ed Hickland]

Originally Posted by STEVED21

Just watched the video. Looks like an illegal formation on every other play. Also, it seems easy to key the type of play off the inside WR. If he goes down field( as in ineligible) it's a screen. If he doesn't ( and drops back to block) it's a long pass. If I can see this in 10 minutes, imagine what a good coach can do.

This has to be the longest post in the history of this forum!

I can see where the A-11 at first impression would drive a coach and his team crazy. While as officials we know players are ineligible by position a high school LB or DB may be confused the first time they see the A-11. You can only imagine the ruckus on the sideline in that first game.

But once a video is available and a coach has a chance ot school his players it would easy to defend against the A-11.

Maybe I missed it but somewhere in the post there was a discussion of the number of officials. From the video it appears the Piedmont games have only four officials. This would make an excellent case for the fifth official who could easily ID the players who are ineligible by position and not number.

[JPC75]

If you care to see how one of the 15 officials on the field can control a football game, check this out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck_spf9a_vQ

There is no argument that there are too many referees with too much control with too many stupid rules in American Football...

One long predictable commercial with some football in between.
I long to go back to the day when money does not govern the game.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by JPC75

If you care to see how one of the 15 officials on the field can control a football game, check this out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck_spf9a_vQ

There is no argument that there are too many referees with too much control with too many stupid rules in American Football...

One long predictable commercial with some football in between.
I long to go back to the day when money does not govern the game.

If you don't like this game, please feel free to visit the Rugby forum below.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JPC75

If you care to see how one of the 15 officials on the field can control a football game, check this out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck_spf9a_vQ

There is no argument that there are too many referees with too much control with too many stupid rules in American Football...

One long predictable commercial with some football in between.
I long to go back to the day when money does not govern the game.

I suppose there weren't enough Ed Hochuli threads here to catch the eye of an idiot like yourself.

[JPC75]

Can someone tell me why an offense can not intentionally fumble a ball if they want to, like with a fumbleroski? (and I don't mean an illegal bat of the ball forward or fumble forward)

This is just another example of a rule added to the game to make it more predictable and boring. Anyone who says that trick plays and trick formations are not exciting to watch is lying.

I read in an early post that the consensus among refs is taht these sort of plays are degrading to a team who comes to the game more prepared and with better players.

My old high school football coach, who won 8 state titles had an arsenal of trick plays just in case we needed them, offense and special teams. We practiced them often and prepared ourselves to use them. It is part of the game.

What about when an opposing army uses a surprise attack or does something to surprise the other army to get advantage.

We had a play called the "oh sh!t play". The QB would throw a WR screen to a WR who would be intentionally behind the QB on the Wing. The QB would intentionally throw the ball into the ground so that it would bounce up to the WR as a fumble. The WR would say "Oh SH!T" as if it was incomplete and teh play was dead but after a second the WR woudl then throw a bomb to the split end who was usually wide open for a TD.

9 out of 10 times if we didn't notify the ref he would call it incomplete. Once, even after telling the ref and the WR was 3 yards behind the QB in the wing, he still called it incomplete.

Or

How about the "too many men" on the field trick play where the QB or Kicker pretends to be confused and count the players on the field during a no hundle play and yells at the recent substitute to get off the field. (Two men leave the field from the previous play and one man comes on.)
The substitute runs toward the sidelines and just as he is about to exit the field the center snaps the ball to the QB or direclty to the kicker and the exiting sub turns downfield for a bomb into the end zone.
Refs always call too many men on the field for this one if not notified and still even when notified a flag usually is dropped.

There are so many we used I can't even remember them. Muddle huddle, Hook and Ladder, Statue of Liberty, QB double option with the QB optioning it to RB who can then option right to another RB or left back to the QB if he wasn't tackled... We even practiced a dropped kicked onside kickoff though I don't know if it's legal.

Some might say that this is Grab @ss football, but I think it's great football.

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by JPC75

If you care to see how one of the 15 officials on the field can control a football game, check this out...
.

15-man mechanics would be epic.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by JPC75

If you care to see how one of the 15 officials on the field can control a football game, check this out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck_spf9a_vQ

There is no argument that there are too many referees with too much control with too many stupid rules in American Football...

One long predictable commercial with some football in between.
I long to go back to the day when money does not govern the game.

So the game is officiated badly so you want less officials? How would that make anything better? More nonsense.