Free Throw Shooter

I had a girls game this year where a defender boxing out the shoot knocked the shooter down. I saw it at Trail but C (multiple state finals official) did not make a call. At the next timeout C comes over talking about how he missed the play and should have called a tech (for dead ball contact). I was really surprised to hear that, given the ball was still live when the contact occurred.

I hope this new "rule" should eliminate refs thinking they should call a tech for this.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I had a girls game this year where a defender boxing out the shoot knocked the shooter down. I saw it at Trail but C (multiple state finals official) did not make a call. At the next timeout C comes over talking about how he missed the play and should have called a tech (for dead ball contact). I was really surprised to hear that, given the ball was still live when the contact occurred.

I hope this new "rule" should eliminate refs thinking they should call a tech for this.

Had the ball gone through the basket?

If not, another example that everybody makes mistakes. This exact play was posted here from an NCAA-M game this season. The ball was still live during the contact and after monitor review the officials went with a DBCT.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

Had the ball gone through the basket?

If not, another example that everybody makes mistakes. This exact play was posted here from an NCAA-M game this season. The ball was still live during the contact and after monitor review the officials went with a DBCT.

Some officials just move up on skills other than rules knowledge. I know a few very charismatic officials that are generally good officials but weak on rules but can BS their way through just about anything they don't really know. Some of them are are so charismatic that they'll be believed so thoroughly that when it is called correctly by others it isn't believed. We probably have some of those here too.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I had a girls game this year where a defender boxing out the shoot knocked the shooter down. I saw it at Trail but C (multiple state finals official) did not make a call. At the next timeout C comes over talking about how he missed the play and should have called a tech (for dead ball contact). I was really surprised to hear that, given the ball was still live when the contact occurred.

I hope this new "rule" should eliminate refs thinking they should call a tech for this.

I was in camp and saw it from the Trail and called a personal foul on the defender. Coach wasn't happy, but the observers didn't even comment on the play.

Originally Posted by jpgc99

Had the ball gone through the basket?

Given that I said the ball was still live, what do you think?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I was in camp and saw it from the Trail and called a personal foul on the defender. Coach wasn't happy, but the observers didn't even comment on the play.

Yeah I would call a common foul if I had a do-over. Not a tech though, that would surely piss the coach off more. I got enough flak for calling a tech this year after a defender jumped to block a layup and then pulled the offensive player to the floor by his neck. I knew the ball had gone through before the contact occurred (video back me up) so I called a tech instead of an INT. Got my first-ever call from an assignor about the play.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Yeah I would call a common foul if I had a do-over. Not a tech though, that would surely piss the coach off more. I got enough flak for calling a tech this year after a defender jumped to block a layup and then pulled the offensive player to the floor by his neck. I knew the ball had gone through before the contact occurred (video back me up) so I called a tech instead of an INT. Got my first-ever call from an assignor about the play.

Had the shooter returned to the floor already?

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Had the shooter returned to the floor already?

Sure had.

[Nevadaref]

It is extremely late for a defender to be fouling a shooter when both the ball has cleared the basket and the shooter has returned to the floor.

Deserved whack!

[ballgame99]

I actually appreciate this clarification, but I still have questions. If a defender violates, and does so enough to be considered a common foul, do I have the option of calling the foul over the violation? or do I have to go with the violation since it happened first? But then wouldn't my foul then potentially be a dead ball foul? Would it depend on if the FT is good or not?

Hypothetical: FT shooter releases, defender crosses the FT line (violation) and slams into the shooters knees (enough for a common foul) while the shot is still in the air.
A) shot misses
B) shot is made

If A, then should we just call the violation and award another FT, but if B call the foul since the violation is waived? If contact is significant enough, could you potentially have a violation AND a technical on a miss? Because I can't call a violation AND a common foul can I?

For you guys that don't think this is an issue, you must not do much girls varsity. Girls are bad about this. At least from where I am.