The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jun 08, 2015, 08:14pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 15,051
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac View Post
I will agree with you that Mr. Webb's insistence on IAABO officials using this rule last year (in essence, making IAABO a rule making organization rather than a basketball official educational organization, as it's supposed to be) before the NFHS clarified this issue was totally ridiculous.

However, if you think that the actual rule is ridiculous, then why didn't you complain that it was ridiculous when it was in the NFHS rulebook back in the 1996-97 NFHS Basketball Rulebook, the year before they, again, changed release to hit?
Because I first became a HS basketball official for the 1997-98 season.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jun 08, 2015, 09:14pm
Stubborn Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 1,517
I realize that the delayed violation thing could be a problem with this, but what about ignoring the foul (if there is one), unless the foul is intentional or flagrant? Don't we do that after other violations?
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jun 08, 2015, 09:28pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Illinois
Posts: 1,804
Quote:
Originally Posted by BryanV21 View Post
I realize that the delayed violation thing could be a problem with this, but what about ignoring the foul (if there is one), unless the foul is intentional or flagrant? Don't we do that after other violations?
if the ball is dead you ingore fouls unless intentional/flagrant etc. most violations do make ball dead. however, violation by defense on FT does not cause ball to be dead.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jun 08, 2015, 10:31pm
Esteemed Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 23,623
Pardon My French ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref View Post
Because I first became a HS basketball official for the 1997-98 season.
Touché.
__________________
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jun 09, 2015, 07:18am
Rich's Avatar
Get away from me, Steve.
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 15,801
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref View Post
As I predicted, the ego of IAABO interpreter Peter Webb prevails with a ridiculous NFHS rule change.
Ha ha!

I knew this would be a rule, just as it was in the 1990s.

They forgot it last year, they fixed it this year.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jun 09, 2015, 07:52am
APG APG is offline
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,889
Ask yourself this...how many lane violations were called before the rule went back to the release? If the NFHS wants this to situation be a violation, they do they really think officials will call a violation on THIS play? I highly doubt it.
__________________
Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some, given a chance to climb, they refuse. They cling to the realm, or the gods, or love. Illusions.

Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is.

Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jun 09, 2015, 09:55am
NFHS Official
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,734
Just a question. Why do people dislike this rule?

Last edited by OKREF; Tue Jun 09, 2015 at 09:59am.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jun 09, 2015, 11:27am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: In the offseason.
Posts: 12,264
Quote:
Originally Posted by OKREF View Post
Just a question. Why do people dislike this rule?
It is 100% unnecessary.
__________________
Owner/Developer of RefTown.com
Commissioner, Portland Basketball Officials Association
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jun 09, 2015, 02:47pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 15,051
Quote:
Originally Posted by OKREF View Post
Just a question. Why do people dislike this rule?
I don't believe that it is possible to observe the player in the marked lane space both entering the lane following the release and then again notice the timing that he crossed the FT line to determine if it was prior to the ball contacting the ring or backboard.

One of the reasons that the NFHS gave when reverting to entering on the release was that it would be easier for officials to look first for violations and then be able to switch to looking for fouls. Yet with this additional restriction, the officials now have to look for a second violation at the same time that they are supposed to be looking for contact fouls amongst the rebounders. It isn't going to work well.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jun 09, 2015, 10:03am
Rich's Avatar
Get away from me, Steve.
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 15,801
Quote:
Originally Posted by APG View Post
Ask yourself this...how many lane violations were called before the rule went back to the release? If the NFHS wants this to situation be a violation, they do they really think officials will call a violation on THIS play? I highly doubt it.

Well, I did back then. Boxing out the shooter was an issue and they eliminated it with this rule and its enforcement.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Free Throw Shooter Johnny Ringo Basketball 111 Sat Aug 02, 2008 01:53pm
Injured Free Throw Shooter Da Official Basketball 14 Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:39pm
injured free throw shooter deecee Basketball 3 Mon Jan 22, 2007 07:43pm
Free Throw Shooter All_Heart Basketball 4 Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:17am
Free Throw Shooter champ Basketball 3 Mon Dec 13, 2004 09:32am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:01pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1