Where are the NFHS rule changes?

[BillyMac]

I'm underwhelmed.

NFHS Basketball Rules Changes - 2015-16

10-6-12: The following acts constitute a foul when committed against a ball handler/dribbler. A player becomes a ball handler when he/she receives the ball. This would include a player in a post position.
a. Placing two hands on the player.
b. Placing an extended arm bar on the player.
c. Placing and keeping a hand on the player.
d. Contacting the player more than once with the same hand or alternating hands.

Officials Signal Chart and Officials Manual: Establish a signal to be used after a basket is made and there is a stoppage in play. The signal is used by the officials to indicate the team inbounding the ball may run the baseline. The signal will be executed by extending the arm laterally, bending the elbow at a 90-degree angle, moving the hand and forearm from the elbow in a waving motion horizontally along the end line. A new picture will need to be added to the signal chart.

2015-16 Major Editorial Changes

3-4-2c: By state association adoption one commemorative/memorial patch may be worn on the jersey. The patch shall not exceed 4 square inches, shall not be a number and must be located above the neckline or in the side insert.

3-5-3c: All sleeves/tights shall be the same solid color and must be the same color as any headband or wristband worn.

3-5-4a: Headbands and wristbands shall be black, white, beige or the predominant color of the jersey and the same color for each item and all participants. They must be the same color as any sleeve/tights worn. See 3-6 for logo requirements.

2015-16 POINTS OF EMPHASIS
1.Post Play
2.Rebounding
3.Free Throw Shooter
4.NFHS Signals and Mechanics

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

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3-4-2c: By state association adoption one commemorative/memorial patch may be worn on the jersey. The patch shall not exceed 4 square inches, shall not be a number and must be located above the neckline or in the side insert.

3-5-3c: All sleeves/tights shall be the same solid color and must be the same color as any headband or wristband worn.

3-5-4a: Headbands and wristbands shall be black, white, beige or the predominant color of the jersey and the same color for each item and all participants. They must be the same color as any sleeve/tights worn. See 3-6 for logo requirements.

Maybe it's just me but...aren't these rule changes as opposed to editorial changes? Editorial, to me, means the rule is rewritten to add some clarity or correct a typo from the previous rule book. What I'm seeing here is a change in the rules themselves.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Maybe it's just me but...aren't these rule changes as opposed to editorial changes? Editorial, to me, means the rule is rewritten to add some clarity or correct a typo from the previous rule book. What I'm seeing here is a change in the rules themselves.

Yes, of course they are, but as has been pointed out on this forum many times, the NFHS doesn't operate in a competent or logical manner.

In fact, the labeling of the rules and editorial changes are actually reversed in the NFHS announcement this year. Imagine that!

[Altor]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Maybe it's just me but...aren't these rule changes as opposed to editorial changes? Editorial, to me, means the rule is rewritten to add some clarity or correct a typo from the previous rule book. What I'm seeing here is a change in the rules themselves.

Usually it means:

"This is what we meant it to be last year when we changed it, but the person we assigned to write the new rule didn't understand that. So, now we're 'editting' it to make it what we really intended for it to be all along. (At least, that's what were telling you now because you don't know any better and we don't feel like admitting that we made a mistake in the first place.)"

[ODog]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

3-5-3c: All sleeves/tights shall be the same solid color and must be the same color as any headband or wristband worn.

3-5-4a: Headbands and wristbands shall be black, white, beige or the predominant color of the jersey and the same color for each item and all participants. They must be the same color as any sleeve/tights worn. See 3-6 for logo requirements.

Did they somehow make this WORSE? A reasonable team member/coach/parent could read this and conclude sleeves/tights no longer need to be black, white, beige or the predominant color of the jersey UNLESS team members are wearing headbands/wristbands.

If you're not wearing bands (and I'd say most people don't), every color under the rainbow seems in play for sleeves/tights.

Am I missing something?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ODog

If you're not wearing bands (and I'd say most people don't), every color under the rainbow seems in play for sleeves/tights. Am I missing something?

Maybe a casebook-like interpretation will make this clearer?

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by ODog

Did they somehow make this WORSE? A reasonable team member/coach/parent could read this and conclude sleeves/tights no longer need to be black, white, beige or the predominant color of the jersey UNLESS team members are wearing headbands/wristbands.

If you're not wearing bands (and I'd say most people don't), every color under the rainbow seems in play for sleeves/tights.

Am I missing something?

Yes you are. It's really simple. The sleeves and tights must match the headbands and wristbands. Since wrist and head bands must be black, white, beige or uniform color, the same goes for the sleeves and tights. They all have to be the same color if worn. It isn't that hard.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Yes you are. It's really simple. The sleeves and tights must match the headbands and wristbands. Since wrist and head bands must be black, white, beige or uniform color, the same goes for the sleeves and tights. They all have to be the same color if worn. It isn't that hard.

I do not know if it will be easy either. We had a lot of different colors. We have many times colors that were not solid (if you include the stitching). And parents do not read these rules. And that includes the undergarments that were worn that are more complicated to remove. Again, why do they care what color stuff is?

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why do they care what color stuff is?

To be able to easily identify teams, and numbers.

I worked a boys high school varsity scrimmage back in the fall where both teams wore scrimmage vests, one team blue, and the other team white. Because it was only a scrimmage, we let both teams wear any color undershirt that the players wanted to wear, and we ended up with about a half dozen different color undershirts, including opponents with the same color undershirts.

It was not very easy to identify teams, especially during rebounding action under the basket.

Granted, the NFHS has gone overboard with some of the "Fashion Police" rules, but same of the color rules are really needed.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

To be able to easily identify teams, and numbers.

I am not talking about jersey.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I worked a boys high school varsity scrimmage back in the fall where both teams wore scrimmage vests, one team blue, and the other team white. Because it was only a scrimmage, we let both teams wear any color undershirt that the players wanted to wear, and we ended up with about a half dozen different color undershirts, including opponents with the same color undershirts.

It was not very easy to identify teams, especially during rebounding action under the basket.

I guess traveling must be really hard for you too?

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Granted, the NFHS has gone overboard with some of the "Fashion Police" rules, but same of the color rules are really needed.

I have never had a problem before identifying the color of head bands and wrist bands. Remember we had no color restrictions of these items before.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not talking about jersey.

And neither was I.

I was talking about undershirts, one of the items some consider to be a frivolous "Fashion Police" issue.

Again, there have to be some color rules, sure there are too many right now in the rulebook (wrist bands, headbands, sleeves), but there still have to be some. We can't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Let's be sure to just throw out the bathwater.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... color of head bands and wrist bands. Remember we had no color restrictions of these items before.

Nor did we have color restrictions on undershirts before such a rule ("The Patrick Ewing Rule") was added in the NFHS rulebook.

In fact, Dr. Naismith’s original Thirteen Rules Of Basketball didn't have any rules regarding the color of uniforms, or equipment. Nothing about color. Period. But rules evolve over time, sometimes, unfortunately, becoming quite, in my opinion regarding wrist bands, headbands, and sleeves, burdensome.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Yes you are. It's really simple. The sleeves and tights must match the headbands and wristbands. Since wrist and head bands must be black, white, beige or uniform color, the same goes for the sleeves and tights. They all have to be the same color if worn. It isn't that hard.

As to the above cited fashion police rule revisions as well as the "post players"actual addition to 10-6-12, I am neither overwhelmed nor underwhelmed.
Call me whelmed.
No problem this stuff being implemented this coming year.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Yes you are. It's really simple. The sleeves and tights must match the headbands and wristbands. Since wrist and head bands must be black, white, beige or uniform color, the same goes for the sleeves and tights. They all have to be the same color if worn. It isn't that hard.

I know what he is saying and there is a hole in the rule. The color restrictions are on the headbands/wrist bands. It only says that sleeves much match any headbands/wristbands. If there are none, then there is nothing to match. So, are there really any color restrictions? I know what they meant, but the wording leaves open the possibility of the sleeves being any color at all, as long as all sleeves match each other.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I know what he is saying and there is a hole in the rule. The color restrictions are on the headbands/wrist bands. It only says that sleeves much match any headbands/wristbands. If there are none, then there is nothing to match. So, are there really any color restrictions? I know what they meant, but the wording leaves open the possibility of the sleeves being any color at all, as long as all sleeves match each other.

if A and B have color restrictions, and C and D must match A and B, C and D have color restrictions. It really isn't hard, I just don't get why would be confusing at all. I do understand the NFHS has editorial, and wording problems everywhere, but if you understand the intent of the rule, then it shouldn't be a problem.