PC signal sequence

[Freddy]

True or False:
Most assigners could care less about officials' signaling. All they care about is whether or not they will get a complaining AD's phone call after the game. Period.

[Eastshire]

Interestingly, Ohio has absolutely forbidden the punch, even for team control fouls. Team control fouls are reported with the player control signal. The given reason is coaches and fans won't understand what the punch means.

It's not that often a state association calls their coaches dumb.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Freddy

True or False:

Most assigners could care less about officials' signaling. All they care about is whether or not they will get a complaining AD's phone call after the game. Period.

I'll only speak for myself.

When a coach or AD (or official, for that matter) complains, I ask for video. I'll judge for myself.

[bballref3966]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Interestingly, Ohio has absolutely forbidden the punch, even for team control fouls. Team control fouls are reported with the player control signal. The given reason is coaches and fans won't understand what the punch means.

It's not that often a state association calls their coaches dumb.

I honestly can't imagine that a coach wouldn't understand that a punch in the opposite direction means a foul on the offense. I also would imagine that the average fan would be able to interpret this, but I honestly could care less if fans understand what our signals mean.

Originally Posted by Rich

I'll only speak for myself.

When a coach or AD (or official, for that matter) complains, I ask for video. I'll judge for myself.

Yep. Would never be willing to work for an assigner who scolds his/her officials because of a bitchy coach or AD without seeing any video. If the AD/coach really thinks a mistake was made, get the video.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

... I honestly could care less if fans understand what our signals mean.

But isn't that one of the purposes of signals, to communicate the "call" to partners, table personnel, coaches, players, and fans?

It is, according to the NFHS:

"Signaling is an essential aspect of officiating and, through its use, decisions and information are relayed to players, coaches, and spectators."

[Freddy]

Who is most influential in holding officials accountable to using approved signals?
A) NFHS
B) The state
C) Camp clinicians
D) Local association trainer(s)
E) Assigner(s)
F) Individual officials who care
G) Does it really frickin' matter?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Who is most influential in holding officials accountable to using approved signals?

In my little corner of Connecticut: Peer evaluators, whose ratings determine an official's ranking in the organization, a ranking that influences the number, and level, of games that that official is assigned.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Who is most influential in holding officials accountable to using approved signals?
A) NFHS
B) The state
C) Camp clinicians
D) Local association trainer(s)
E) Assigner(s)
F) Individual officials who care
G) Does it really frickin' matter?

Depends on the locale.

For us, associations make no assignments. Conference varsity games are assigned by commissioners, of which I am one. If I wished to use that as a criteria for our 20 boys and 19 girls programs I could. I've already made my feelings known.

If you're talking postseason, that's all in the hands of the state.

I'm really not fond of anyone who puts too much effort or worth in robotically following a signal chart. I'm much more interested in effort, positioning, and correct calls.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by constable

Don't say 2-5. Say twenty five.

Originally Posted by Rich

Depends on the locale.

"Two. Five.", here in my little corner of Connecticut.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Who is most influential in holding officials accountable to using approved signals?
A) NFHS
B) The state
C) Camp clinicians
D) Local association trainer(s)
E) Assigner(s)
F) Individual officials who care
G) Does it really frickin' matter?

No one on this list really. Here it falls into the sport administrator (we have one for each gender) and they often have Head Clinician that conveys the message. I am a state clinician and it is who I have to listen to when teaching my camps. After that it comes back to the assignor who hires the officials for regular season game (many do not care), but the state administrator hires all the officials for the State Tournament. So at the end of the day, if they do not like your mechanics you do not work in the post season. And assignors want people that work the post season for their own credibility.

Peace

[bballref3966]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

But isn't that one of the purposes of signals, to communicate the "call" to partners, table personnel, coaches, players, and fans?

It is, according to the NFHS:

"Signaling is an essential aspect of officiating and, through its use, decisions and information are relayed to players, coaches, and spectators."

If fans don't understand what the signals mean, then the way I communicate them won't make any difference. My point was that Ohio's stance makes no sense: if fans comprehend what "hand behind the head" means, then it would be reasonable to assume that they would understand what a punch in the opposite direction means. If they don't understand one, they're not going to understand the other. I just don't get telling officials they "can't use a certain signal" because "the fans won't understand it." If the fans really care about understanding the signals, they can study the chart.

[bob jenkins]

[QUOTE=Freddy;961916]True or False:
Most assigners could care less about officials' signaling. /QUOTE]

False.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Freddy

True or False:
Most assigners could care less about officials' signaling.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

False.

Yeah, I noticed that too, but chose to leave it alone.

[TriggerMN]

FWIW, Minnesota wants its officials to use the exact same mechanic for both player control and team control fouls. Fist up, punch the other way with the same fist. Never behind the head anymore.