Arizona vs Colorado Head Coach T (Possible Ejection?) (Video)

[jeremy341a]

In college those guys get away with murder so I don't know what is expected there. However in a high school game I'm tossing him.

He seems to be referencing the "foul" on the drive to the basket. I don't see a no call here as an official who has quit.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

In college those guys get away with murder so I don't know what is expected there. However in a high school game I'm tossing him.

He seems to be referencing the "foul" on the drive to the basket. I don't see a no call here as an official who has quit.

I do not see coaches in college getting away with any more than I see in HS. If anything high school officials often do not have a since of the bigger picture.

This was not even close to an ejection IMO unless there was some wording that was stated I was unaware of.

Peace

[Kelvin green]

How long do we let a coach vent and turn this into a fiasco?

In this video he vents for nearly 30 seconds. He comes out on the floor and yells at lead. C whacks him. After the T he goes back to yelling at lead, then chases after C who was heading for the table...

The contact that was passed on was clearly a no call. He didn't get beat by 20 because of this no call. It was all about him and nothing to do with the game.

I agree in the current NCAA climate it is probably not an ejection... Not sure I agree with that. I think in a high school game it is an ejection...

If it is not an ejection the officials should get 30 seconds on the floor berating him, pointing out his poor coaching, his marginal recruiting, his lack of preparedness, and all the mistakes his players made.
For every ten seconds he can't take the officials berating is an extra game suspension

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

How long do we let a coach vent and turn this into a fiasco?

Fiasco? What fiasco?

The coach wanted to get a T, got the T, and continues to complain to make sure he gets his point across. That does NOT a fiasco make.

One of the officials has GOT to get to him and talk to him - let him vent ("Coach, I understand you're upset. I'm right here...you don't have to yell. I hear what you're saying...nobody is quitting on this game. The Lead simply didn't think it was a foul...nothing more. Nothing less. Let's finish the game and not make this any worse than it is" (or something to that effect).

Coaches in this situation will continue their rant until they feel that they're being heard - that's really all they want...to get their point across to the officials.

The officials MUST be the calmest people in the arena. If they emotionally react to a situation like this, then they are not able to understand what is happening and understand how to handle/resolve it. One can certainly issue another T and pitch the coach....but I submit to you that it will cause more problems than it is worth (needless to say that an official who does this probably does not have the "people skills"/game management skills that other officials have who have advanced to higher basketball levels).

In my experience, officials at higher levels talk more/first before issuing a T than officials at lower levels. I don't think that is an accident.

[APG]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

In my experience, officials at higher levels talk more/first before issuing a T than officials at lower levels. I do jot think that is an accident.

I feel confident in saying this coach would be tossed in an NBA game...by officials at the highest level.

Then again, a coach at that level wouldn't do this unless he was looking to be tossed...and would be expecting it...that's a disportionate response to the play at hand.

[bballref3966]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Fiasco? What fiasco?

The coach wanted to get a T, got the T, and continues to complain to make sure he gets his point across. That does NOT a fiasco make.

One of the officials has GOT to get to him and talk to him - let him vent ("Coach, I understand you're upset. I'm right here...you don't have to yell. I hear what you're saying...nobody is quitting on this game. The Lead simply didn't think it was a foul...nothing more. Nothing less. Let's finish the game and not make this any worse than it is" (or something to that effect).

Coaches in this situation will continue their rant until they feel that they're being heard - that's really all they want...to get their point across to the officials.

The officials MUST be the calmest people in the arena. If they emotionally react to a situation like this, then they are not able to understand what is happening and understand how to handle/resolve it. One can certainly issue another T and pitch the coach....but I submit to you that it will cause more problems than it is worth (needless to say that an official who does this probably does not have the "people skills"/game management skills that other officials have who have advanced to higher basketball levels).

In my experience, officials at higher levels talk more/first before issuing a T than officials at lower levels. I don't think that is an accident.

You are more weary than any other official I've ever met when it comes to calling a second T. Seemingly every time you post, you list a bunch of reasons why not to call a second T. A T and an emotional reaction are more often than not, mutually exclusive. Our duties allow and require us to penalize unsportsmanlike behavior. Just because I call the second T on a coach doesn't mean I reacted emotionally. Instead of faulting the officials for "reacting emotionally," how about faulting the coach for poor behavior?

Nowhere in our duties does it say we have to "baby" the coach. He is an adult. If he doesn't want to act like it, it's not our job to make him.

You mention that a lot of the officials that advance are the ones that have great "people skills." Since when does calling a T mean an official isn't good with people. If you are so concerned about coddling coaches and not making them angry that you refuse to call a T, you are not going to get very far, either.

I have assigners that would look at this video and would wholeheartedly support a second T.

We're not here to decide whether the coach needs to stay or go....if he commits another unsporting offense after your partner whacked him then be a good partner and finish the job. And if the coach is asking for it or wants to get toss then oblige him. No need to make him sit and suffer, that shouldn't be an option.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

In college those guys get away with murder so I don't know what is expected there. However in a high school game I'm tossing him.

He seems to be referencing the "foul" on the drive to the basket. I don't see a no call here as an official who has quit.

In high school there is virtually NO accountability for officials who T/eject people - u can pretty much do what u want and there won't be any consequence (ask yourself this: "when was the last time you heard of ANY official losing games/being removed from a conference for on-court decisions/judgement?").

btw, this WAS a foul. Can the official get away w/out calling it? Sure. Can the coach feel that this foul should have been called and is evidence that the officials are "officiating the scoreboard"? Sure. Did the coach want/deserve a T? Yes. If an official is going to throw a coach out w/ 1:30 to go in a game that is already decided, then it needs to be so obvious that Ray Charles could "see" that the ejection was warranted.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

In high school there is virtually NO accountability for officials who T/eject people - u can pretty much do what u want and there won't be any consequence (ask yourself this: "when was the last time you heard of ANY official losing games/being removed from a conference for on-court decisions/judgement?").

I know of a few. There is a lot more accountability than you might think. Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. One poor call isn't going to cost an official but a pattern will. No assignor wants to keep getting calls about the same official every night.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I know of a few. There is a lot more accountability than you might think. Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. One poor call isn't going to cost an official but a pattern will. No assignor wants to keep getting calls about the same official every night.

At a very basic level, an assignor needs a "guy w/ a pulse and a striped shirt". Why else to you think they throw a "fit" when an official tries to get off of a game on a Tue. or Fri. night? 'Cause they don't have very many good officials to use as replacements.

Here's the perfect example of what I mean. HS game this year...after 2 visiting subs enter the game, the Lead official administers the ball before both players could leave the floor. The visiting coach gets the Trails attention to stop the game so the player can get off the floor...and in a normal tone tells the Lead: "Sir, can you please wait to administer the ball so that the players get properly get off the floor?"...TWEEEEET!!!!!...(you guessed it) - visiting coach gets a T. When brought to the assignors attention, who do you think he supported...the Lead (who was completely in the wrong) or the Coach who had a valid complaint? (My jaw practically hit the floor when I witnessed it).

My point is, unless it's a rule that gets kicked (which happens to state final officials as well as rookies), officials rarely get in trouble w/ HS assignors.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

At a very basic level, an assignor needs a "guy w/ a pulse and a striped shirt". Why else to you think they throw a "fit" when an official tries to get off of a game on a Tue. or Fri. night? 'Cause they don't have very many good officials to use as replacements.

Here's the perfect example of what I mean. HS game this year...after 2 visiting subs enter the game, the Lead official administers the ball before both players could leave the floor. The visiting coach gets the Trails attention to stop the game so the player can get off the floor...and in a normal tone tells the Lead: "Sir, can you please wait to administer the ball so that the players get properly get off the floor?"...TWEEEEET!!!!!...(you guessed it) - visiting coach gets a T. When brought to the assignors attention, who do you think he supported...the Lead (who was completely in the wrong) or the Coach who had a valid complaint? (My jaw practically hit the floor when I witnessed it).

My point is, unless it's a rule that gets kicked (which happens to state final officials as well as rookies), officials rarely get in trouble w/ HS assignors.

I had one ejection this season. I've watched the film. I will not rehire that crew.

[Altor]

And the example I was thinking of involved a coach who was 10 feet out on the floor yelling at an official. Nobody T'd him up. Somebody from the state commissioner's office was in the stands and the next day, the two officials who had been offered tournament assignments had them rescinded.

It's completely the opposite of his insinuation that officials can eject people without consequence, but it falls under "the last time I heard of an official losing games/being removed from a conference for on-court decisions/judgement."

Originally Posted by Rich

I had one ejection this season. I've watched the film. I will not rehire that crew.

Was it these guys?

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

In high school there is virtually NO accountability for officials who T/eject people - u can pretty much do what u want and there won't be any consequence (ask yourself this: "when was the last time you heard of ANY official losing games/being removed from a conference for on-court decisions/judgement?").

NONSENSE! If you toss a coach or player they automatically are suspended for the next game in my part of the world! And you can bet the house not only will you have a conversation with the assignor but someone from the State Federation Too! They have your back when the facts are on the officials side but if they are not..well you could be redlined from future assignments

[Adam]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

In high school there is virtually NO accountability for officials who T/eject people - u can pretty much do what u want and there won't be any consequence (ask yourself this: "when was the last time you heard of ANY official losing games/being removed from a conference for on-court decisions/judgement?").

How much high school did you actually work before moving on?