Colorado vs Arizona - Shot at the Buzzer

[grunewar]

Tad Boyle, Colorado Buffaloes basketball coach, wants end to instant replay after controversial overturned call - ESPN

[JRutledge]

If he did not have replay then he would accuse the officials of having it out for them. Bottom line he got out coached down the stretch of regulation and lost on a very, very, very close call. I first thought the shot would count, then when they showed the angles it was not clear. I could see the call either way.

What he needs to be mad at the kid that fouled 30 feet from the basket to tie the game, not replay.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Somebody should write a letter.

[letemplay]

If you're gonna have and use replay...then get it right. Seems like the shot should have been good by just a hair. Why was it not?

[Rich]

I haven't even watched the clip, but I'm going to have my morning coffee while reading the mouth-breather comments at the end of the article.

[Wellmer]

Watching the video, was the shot originally called good or not? I didn't see any signal from any official at all. What do they do if they go over to the monitor and the video malfunctioned by chance and there is no video to look at? I know that didn't happen, but what if it did? You have to make a call on the floor one way or another. Help me out if I missed the call.

[derwil]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Bottom line he got out coached down the stretch of regulation and lost on a very, very, very close call. I first thought the shot would count, then when they showed the angles it was not clear. I could see the call either way.

Up 8 with 90 seconds to play, you shouldn't have to get a 35 footer at the buzzer to win.....

I don't think I could have overturned on that replay, but I wasn't there and don't work D1. Much respect to them for a tough call.....should have never been that close.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I first thought the shot would count, then when they showed the angles it was not clear. I could see the call either way.

What he needs to be mad at the kid that fouled 30 feet from the basket to tie the game, not replay.

I thought the exact same way. The C at the bottom of the screen (Verne Harris) signals the 3pt attempt but I didn't see the other hand go up upon the ball going in; then again, if the 3 pt signal is given, the ruling before replay should be a good basket.

Most D1 games on the west coast, have a system in place to for video review (whether the game is televised on ESPN, Fox, CBS, or not). The monitor that is used courtside is NOT in HD; I have used the system and the picture definition is average at best. The best angle of the shot being released on time is the side angle. Even then, it was difficult to determine from the confines of my 1080p television at home; I can only image what the crew was looking at from the non-HD courtside monitor.

Was there enough to overturn the original ruling of a made bucket? I'm not so sure but then again, we didn't see the version of what the crew saw courtside with the non-HD monitor.

Originally Posted by Pac-12 coordinator of officials Ed Rush issued the following statement

"Game officials reviewed video replays of the end of regulation in accordance with NCAA playing rules and determined the ball was still on the shooters' fingertips when the official game clock on the floor expired. Per Conference protocol, the officials conducted a thorough review court side and viewed multiple angles of the play before confirming the ruling. I have reviewed the video replays and agree with the ruling."

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I first thought the shot would count, then when they showed the angles it was not clear. I could see the call either way.

So what you are saying is the replay was inconclusive and the bucket should have counted then?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

So what you are saying is the replay was inconclusive and the bucket should have counted then?

How would he know, he wasn't at the table when they made the decision?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

So what you are saying is the replay was inconclusive and the bucket should have counted then?

I did not say it was inconclusive, I said it was close. I can see the argument either way. It does not clearly look out of his hand and from the blur of the video you could say the ball was out of his and and another angle think the ball was in his hand. Now I saw this in HD too and I went back and forth.

And it appears all the official did was signal that this was a 3 point shot that went in knowing they have to look at the video.

Peace

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not say it was inconclusive, I said it was close. I can see the argument either way. It does not clearly look out of his hand and from the blur of the video you could say the ball was out of his and and another angle think the ball was in his hand. Now I saw this in HD too and I went back and forth.

And it appears all the official did was signal that this was a 3 point shot that went in knowing they have to look at the video.

Peace

That is the definition of inconclusive isn't it?

In any event, they didn't signal good or wave it off on the floor? Because with an inconclusive replay like that I don't think you could have overturned either one.

And btw, what else is Ed Rush going to say?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

That is the definition of inconclusive isn't it?

In any event, they didn't signal good or wave it off on the floor? Because with an inconclusive replay like that I don't think you could have overturned either one.

And btw, what else is Ed Rush going to say?

I think you are looking for a black and white answer to something that none of us were involved in. This is not the NFL and the standard is not the same to overturn a call. They look at the video to see if he got the shot off or not and they determined it was not off. I am just saying I could see an argument either way. But the officials on the game may feel it was clear to them based on what they saw. And if it is true that they did not see an HD feed of the game, that is even worse IMO.

Peace

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

That is the definition of inconclusive isn't it?

I don't referee basketball, so I certainly don't know the rules on the use of replay in the NCAAs. But is the "inconclusive" criterion even used in basketball replays as it is in football?

I switched over from the Oregon/K-State game during a commercial break to see the end of this game. My Christmas present to me was a 65" Samsung 8000-Series LED Smart HDTV with 240Hz refresh (). I kept stopping and rewinding the replays with my DVR. And I couldn't tell from the two angles they showed if the ball had definitely left the shooter's fingertips when the backboard light lit up. It was just that close.

So anybody who says they definitely saw a valid shot or not is blowing smoke. The refs, IMO, simply had to guess, and we'll never know if they guessed right or not.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

And btw, what else is Ed Rush going to say?

They got it wrong.

Is this a trick question?