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Old Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:21pm
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How long do we let a coach vent and turn this into a fiasco?
Fiasco? What fiasco?

The coach wanted to get a T, got the T, and continues to complain to make sure he gets his point across. That does NOT a fiasco make.

One of the officials has GOT to get to him and talk to him - let him vent ("Coach, I understand you're upset. I'm right here...you don't have to yell. I hear what you're saying...nobody is quitting on this game. The Lead simply didn't think it was a foul...nothing more. Nothing less. Let's finish the game and not make this any worse than it is" (or something to that effect).

Coaches in this situation will continue their rant until they feel that they're being heard - that's really all they want...to get their point across to the officials.

The officials MUST be the calmest people in the arena. If they emotionally react to a situation like this, then they are not able to understand what is happening and understand how to handle/resolve it. One can certainly issue another T and pitch the coach....but I submit to you that it will cause more problems than it is worth (needless to say that an official who does this probably does not have the "people skills"/game management skills that other officials have who have advanced to higher basketball levels).

In my experience, officials at higher levels talk more/first before issuing a T than officials at lower levels. I don't think that is an accident.

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Old Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:29pm
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In my experience, officials at higher levels talk more/first before issuing a T than officials at lower levels. I do jot think that is an accident.
I feel confident in saying this coach would be tossed in an NBA game...by officials at the highest level.

Then again, a coach at that level wouldn't do this unless he was looking to be tossed...and would be expecting it...that's a disportionate response to the play at hand.
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Old Sat Feb 28, 2015, 12:14am
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Fiasco? What fiasco?

The coach wanted to get a T, got the T, and continues to complain to make sure he gets his point across. That does NOT a fiasco make.

One of the officials has GOT to get to him and talk to him - let him vent ("Coach, I understand you're upset. I'm right here...you don't have to yell. I hear what you're saying...nobody is quitting on this game. The Lead simply didn't think it was a foul...nothing more. Nothing less. Let's finish the game and not make this any worse than it is" (or something to that effect).

Coaches in this situation will continue their rant until they feel that they're being heard - that's really all they want...to get their point across to the officials.

The officials MUST be the calmest people in the arena. If they emotionally react to a situation like this, then they are not able to understand what is happening and understand how to handle/resolve it. One can certainly issue another T and pitch the coach....but I submit to you that it will cause more problems than it is worth (needless to say that an official who does this probably does not have the "people skills"/game management skills that other officials have who have advanced to higher basketball levels).

In my experience, officials at higher levels talk more/first before issuing a T than officials at lower levels. I don't think that is an accident.
You are more weary than any other official I've ever met when it comes to calling a second T. Seemingly every time you post, you list a bunch of reasons why not to call a second T. A T and an emotional reaction are more often than not, mutually exclusive. Our duties allow and require us to penalize unsportsmanlike behavior. Just because I call the second T on a coach doesn't mean I reacted emotionally. Instead of faulting the officials for "reacting emotionally," how about faulting the coach for poor behavior?

Nowhere in our duties does it say we have to "baby" the coach. He is an adult. If he doesn't want to act like it, it's not our job to make him.

You mention that a lot of the officials that advance are the ones that have great "people skills." Since when does calling a T mean an official isn't good with people. If you are so concerned about coddling coaches and not making them angry that you refuse to call a T, you are not going to get very far, either.

I have assigners that would look at this video and would wholeheartedly support a second T.
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Old Sat Feb 28, 2015, 02:01am
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We're not here to decide whether the coach needs to stay or go....if he commits another unsporting offense after your partner whacked him then be a good partner and finish the job. And if the coach is asking for it or wants to get toss then oblige him. No need to make him sit and suffer, that shouldn't be an option.
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