UNC/Duke (Video)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I thought so at first, but last camera angle shows it was clean.

It was that very same camera angle that confirmed it was a foul for me....the backside of the defenders triceps comes down on the arm of the shooter.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It was that very same camera angle that confirmed it was a foul for me....the backside of the defenders triceps comes down on the arm of the shooter.

Good catch. I did not see that contact until you mentioned it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It was that very same camera angle that confirmed it was a foul for me....the backside of the defenders triceps comes down on the arm of the shooter.

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Good catch. I did not see that contact until you mentioned it.

I have that as incidental contact. I called a foul on a similar play at the end of a game recently and I have wanted that call back after seeing some (poor) video of the play.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have that as incidental contact. I called a foul on a similar play at the end of a game recently and I have wanted that call back after seeing some (poor) video of the play.

That contact occurs just prior to him blocking the ball and impacts the shooter enough that a foul is justified.

I would not argue had it been a no call though.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

That contact occurs just prior to him blocking the ball and impacts the shooter enough that a foul is justified.

I would not argue had it been a no call though.

That's very similar to the play I had, except in my case on defender got all ball causing a double clutch, then the other defender got him across the forearm.

I'm still torn on that play.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have that as incidental contact. I called a foul on a similar play at the end of a game recently and I have wanted that call back after seeing some (poor) video of the play.

Smacking the arm of a shooter that hasn't released the ball is incidental contact?

I might agree if it was the off arm but the ball is in both hands and without it, he can't even get to the ball (which he barely touched). I don't know how that can be incidental even under the most liberal application of the concept.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Smacking the arm of a shooter that hasn't released the ball is incidental contact?

I might agree if it was the off arm but the ball is in both hands and without it, he can't even get to the ball (which he barely touched). I don't know how that can be incidental even under the most liberal application of the concept.

How tall was the shooter? I've learned in my son's middle school games that the general rule is a player who is 6" or more shorter than the shooter is allowed to slap the arm because otherwise it isn't fair since he's not tall enough to reach the ball. (Can you tell my son is the tall kid?)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Smacking the arm of a shooter that hasn't released the ball is incidental contact?

I might agree if it was the off arm but the ball is in both hands and without it, he can't even get to the ball (which he barely touched). I don't know how that can be incidental even under the most liberal application of the concept.

Smacking? With his tricep? I think you have me beat with liberal interpretation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Smacking? With his tricep? I think you have me beat with liberal interpretation.

It is there in the video whether you choose to see it or not. The official on the floor saw it and called it.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It is there in the video whether you choose to see it or not. The official on the floor saw it and called it.

I doubt that is what the official saw and why he called the foul.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It is there in the video whether you choose to see it or not. The official on the floor saw it and called it.

You don't why the official called the foul, unless you have talked to him about the call. Additionally, unless you have spoken to this official, you have no idea what his feelings were about the call after he reviewed the video. And to say that contact was a "smack" is being less than honest, or a prime example of hyperbole.

But it is most definitely arrogant of you to say I choose not to see it.