Dead Ball Technical question.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Your NCAA rules knowledge is a little off. Go do some research an post again once you've read the section on technical fouls and flagrant personal fouls.

By the way, there is no such thing as a "routine" technical foul in the rules book. What do you mean by that? It could mean different things to different people.

NCAAM 4-15.3d(1) Flagrant 2 Contact Technical. If I was off by one word, I'll accept that [very egotistical] correction. By the way, why would I have any reason to look up the section on flagrant personal fouls in this instance? This was clearly a dead ball foul after the held ball.

Then we move to NCAAM 10-3-1e + 10-3-1 PENALTY & 10-3-1 RESUMPTION OF PLAY. This is a Class A unsporting tech that qualifies as a Flagrant 2 Contact Tech. Tell me again how my rules knowledge is a little off? Seems like it was pretty spot on.

Lastly, the word "routine" is located nowhere in any basketball rule book. I'm pretty sure most people can figure that out. Are adjectives not authorized in this forum? I didn't get that memo.

NOTE: I didn't look up the NCAAW verbiage, and I know it's a little different, but the end result would be the same.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by frezer11

For NCAA, yes. The OP was high school, so there isn't a POI tech (unless multiple)

Nope, a dead ball tech in NCAA men is not POI, so please refrain from confusing the situation with talk of POI.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Correct me if I'm wrong, but had this been a routine POI technical, the POI would have been the AP throw-in?

Originally Posted by frezer11

For NCAA, yes.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Nope, a dead ball tech in NCAA men is not POI, so please refrain from confusing the situation with talk of POI.

What if the dead ball tech is non-contact and not a flagrant 2? Would that not result in POI?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

What if the dead ball tech is non-contact and not a flagrant 2? Would that not result in POI?

So would that then be an unsporting technical? If so, what difference does it make if the ball was live or dead?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Lastly, the word "routine" is located nowhere in any basketball rule book. I'm pretty sure most people can figure that out. Are adjectives not authorized in this forum? I didn't get that memo.

His point (a valid one) is that "routine" doesn't really tell us anything about what you were thinking on this, and does sort of leave us wondering what you meant. Can we guess? Sure, but it's a guess.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Nope, a dead ball tech in NCAA men is not POI, so please refrain from confusing the situation with talk of POI.

Umm... Yes it is. Before you go telling others to check the rules, you better be pretty sure yourself. The situation cc posted did NOT say dead ball contact. A "dead ball technical foul" written like that should be POI.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

So would that then be an unsporting technical? If so, what difference does it make if the ball was live or dead?

You're right about this, the ball being live or dead is irrelevant.

Cross country, am I correct in saying that your original question about a routine POI technical wasn't concerned with how the tech happened, but rather whether or not to go to the arrow after? That's what I would assume most reasonable people would gather from the phrase "routine POI technical." The point is the majority of technical fouls in fact ARE infractions that are resumed POI, and if a held ball was the last thing to happen before the technical foul, then we go to the arrow.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Nope, a dead ball tech in NCAA men is not POI, so please refrain from confusing the situation with talk of POI.

"Contact" dead ball technicals are not POI in NCAAM. That word is important. Mouthing off during a dead ball is a class A and still POI. Dunking a dead ball is a Class B and still POI. Adding a player to the roster at the 6 minute mark..before the game..while the ball is dead is an administrative tech--POI.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

Good advice for those who live in specific corners of Connecticut. Not so much for the rest of us.

The amount of misplaced pride in an area so clearly still in the mid-80s amazes me. 2-man, wearing belts, carrying an A/P binky in the pocket...

I started in the 1980s too. I've changed with the times.

Official opposite the table look when convenient. After all the crap is over. There's no hurry to signal direction, after all.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

The amount of misplaced pride in an area so clearly still in the mid-80s amazes me. 2-man, wearing belts, carrying an A/P binky in the pocket.

The "Belt Era", in my little corner of Connecticut, may soon be over.



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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

There's no hurry to signal direction, after all.

I once hurried this directional signal and popped a player right in the face.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I once hurried this directional signal and popped a player right in the face.

We've had previous threads on this forum discussing coaches who are out a step or two on the court during a live ball. Well an illegal screen (team control signal) by a table side C can remind them in a hurry that they are to be on the sideline!! I almost caught a coach clean on the jaw once, he actually leaned back, Matrix-style to avoid it, falling on top of his assistant coaches!! Needless to say, he did a pretty good job of staying back after that....

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by frezer11

Umm... Yes it is. Before you go telling others to check the rules, you better be pretty sure yourself. The situation cc posted did NOT say dead ball contact. A "dead ball technical foul" written like that should be POI.



You're right about this, the ball being live or dead is irrelevant.

Cross country, am I correct in saying that your original question about a routine POI technical wasn't concerned with how the tech happened, but rather whether or not to go to the arrow after? That's what I would assume most reasonable people would gather from the phrase "routine POI technical." The point is the majority of technical fouls in fact ARE infractions that are resumed POI, and if a held ball was the last thing to happen before the technical foul, then we go to the arrow.

Yes, it was.

Funny how I added an unnecessary word, and Nevada forgot a very important one, and between the two of us my simple question took about eight rounds of posting to resolve. All because of two words.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

All because of two words.

Two words can be just as important as one punctuation mark:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The "Belt Era", in my little corner of Connecticut, may soon be over.

Please tell me IAABO has also banned members from mentioning the "b" word in online forums??

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Please tell me IAABO has also banned members from mentioning the "b" word in online forums??

Only if it's "tapered".

Originally Posted by Rich

... wearing belts ...

"We Didn't Start the Fire" (Billy Joel, 1989).