Foul or Held Ball? (Video)

[BigCat]

i read too much. dont see too well. having said that, it looked to me like he got all wrist and not much ball. foul

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by BigCat

i read too much. dont see too well. having said that, it looked to me like he got all wrist and not much ball. foul

You are right about that. The defender is on the ball.

Even if thats hard to see in real time, the way the play develops indicates that as well. If the defender got all wrist, the ball is likely going to come loose at some point, which does not happen.

This looks fairly clear to me. If one was going to call a foul here it would seem to me it would come from them thinking there was body contact initiated by the defender coming toward the offense. I don't see that either but up top is clean.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

You are right about that. The defender is on the ball.

Even if thats hard to see in real time, the way the play develops indicates that as well. If the defender got all wrist, the ball is likely going to come loose at some point, which does not happen.

This looks fairly clear to me. If one was going to call a foul here it would seem to me it would come from them thinking there was body contact initiated by the defender coming toward the offense. I don't see that either but up top is clean.

we will agree to disagree. the offense goes up with two hands and actually moves ball a bit. defense comes across wrist and i dont think he ever touches ball. offense going up hard and just holding on to ball. i thought that on first view and think even more on the slow shots. again, we will agree to disagree. i dont have any problem with the body here either.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by BigCat

we will agree to disagree. the offense goes up with two hands and actually moves ball a bit. defense comes across wrist and i dont think he ever touches ball. offense going up hard and just holding on to ball. i thought that on first view and think even more on the slow shots. again, we will agree to disagree. i dont have any problem with the body here either.

We can agree to disagree but I think the 0:16 and 0:17 clearly show the defender hitting the ball. And the contact up top, if any, is on the hand not the wrist, which we all know is part of the ball.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

We can agree to disagree but I think the 0:16 and 0:17 clearly show the defender hitting the ball. And the contact up top, if any, is on the hand not the wrist, which we all know is part of the ball.

i see wrist to wrist contact. defender finger tips pointed to sky when i see contact between wrists. just not seeing hand to ball or hand to hand on ball contact. its late, im tired....and it is a small square im looking at...i'll try again in the morning. thx

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BigCat

i see wrist to wrist contact. defender finger tips pointed to sky when i see contact between wrists. just not seeing hand to ball or hand to hand on ball contact. its late, im tired....and it is a small square im looking at...i'll try again in the morning. thx

Doesn't really matter if the defender is vertical...which is pretty much what you just said. Contact with the wrist in the defender's vertical plane isn't a foul on the defender since the defender is in a legal position if their arms are raised above their head from LGP. And i believe the defender easily had LGP and jumped vertically within his plane and raised his arms in that plane. They only came out of the plan after they came together and the shot was stopped.

[Raymond]

Good defensive play... held ball