Foul or Held Ball? (Video)

[APG]

No foul, held ball.

[VaTerp]

Held ball.

[JeffM]

Held ball

[BigCat]

i read too much. dont see too well. having said that, it looked to me like he got all wrist and not much ball. foul

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by BigCat

i read too much. dont see too well. having said that, it looked to me like he got all wrist and not much ball. foul

You are right about that. The defender is on the ball.

Even if thats hard to see in real time, the way the play develops indicates that as well. If the defender got all wrist, the ball is likely going to come loose at some point, which does not happen.

This looks fairly clear to me. If one was going to call a foul here it would seem to me it would come from them thinking there was body contact initiated by the defender coming toward the offense. I don't see that either but up top is clean.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

You are right about that. The defender is on the ball.

Even if thats hard to see in real time, the way the play develops indicates that as well. If the defender got all wrist, the ball is likely going to come loose at some point, which does not happen.

This looks fairly clear to me. If one was going to call a foul here it would seem to me it would come from them thinking there was body contact initiated by the defender coming toward the offense. I don't see that either but up top is clean.

we will agree to disagree. the offense goes up with two hands and actually moves ball a bit. defense comes across wrist and i dont think he ever touches ball. offense going up hard and just holding on to ball. i thought that on first view and think even more on the slow shots. again, we will agree to disagree. i dont have any problem with the body here either.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by APG

I have a pushing foul by B33 against W5. B33 jumps forward into W5 after W5 goes airborne and makes full body contact with B33.

MTD, Sr.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I have a pushing foul by B33 against W5. B33 jumps forward into W5 after W5 goes airborne and makes full body contact with B33.

MTD, Sr.

I don't know how you have anything but defender jumping vertically?

[Blindolbat]

Who's the home team?

But in all seriousness. I'm with BigCat on this one. Looks like a foul.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I have a pushing foul by B33 against W5. B33 jumps forward into W5 after W5 goes airborne and makes full body contact with B33.

MTD, Sr.

In my world, that satisfies the principal of verticality and colloquially would be known as a "weenie foul."

[Pantherdreams]

I have the player jumping vertically but moving forward into space while the offense is gathered and jumping into their shot. Did not have LGP in the position he's trying to maintain vertically. If you are going to call the foul that's enough to put it on the D.

In my corner of the universe in a game where players are athletic enough to do that (which isn't often) you need a lot more contact then that to have anything but a no call or in this case the held ball.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

In my corner of the universe in a game where players are athletic enough to do that (which isn't often) you need a lot more contact then that to have anything but a no call or in this case the held ball.

Mine, too. Technically a foul by strict interpretation, but sometimes we have to be loose constructionists in our business. If the defender is going up mostly vertical, and is clearly that athletic, and gets hand on ball at the apex....not a foul! This kind of play is great for the game. Excellent place for a held ball.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

I have the player jumping vertically but moving forward into space while the offense is gathered and jumping into their shot.

I'm not sure how it works in FIBA but in NFHS as long as the defender is done moving forward before the offensive player goes airborne, he can still obtain LGP.

That said, I have a held ball and that's it.

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I'm not sure how it works in FIBA but in NFHS as long as the defender is done moving forward before the offensive player goes airborne, he can still obtain LGP.

That said, I have a held ball and that's it.

FIBA we go on the gather now (similar to the NCAA interp from last year that they reversed this year). That being said I felt like the offense was still coming forward when the offense left the floor.

But I've got held ball as that has little to no impact on the play.