Ejection

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by CoachP

To clarify, she would not stop chirping on the bench and yes, an adult met up with her after she crossed the floor. Not sure who the adult was.

If that is the case, then the officials were 100% correct to have her removed from the bench with proper supervision.

There is a passage in the NFHS rules book about this as well as stating that a player disqualified for a flagrant foul may be removed from the gym at the discretion of the officials. People seem to forget about these provisions.

The final action of that team member would have earned a flagrant technical foul if I had been on the court.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If that is the case, then the officials were 100% correct to have her removed from the bench with proper supervision.

There is a passage in the NFHS rules book about this as well as stating that a player disqualified for a flagrant foul may be removed from the gym at the discretion of the officials. People seem to forget about these provisions.

The final action of that team member would have earned a flagrant technical foul if I had been on the court.

You are correct but from the OP it appears that the HC was letting her leave without adult supervision. The game officials should have never let that happen in the first place.

MTD, Sr.

[bainsey]

My understanding is there's a difference between disqualified and ejected. Disqualified players (typically those that foul out) remain on the bench. Ejected players go to the locker room.

Two technical fouls, or one flagrant foul, warrant a disqualification. We had a flagrant personal foul (elbow to the head) in a game last week. That player was disqualified, and remained on the bench.

That's not to say you still can't eject a disqualified player, but as already stated here, there has to be adult supervision.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bainsey

My understanding is there's a difference between disqualified and ejected. Disqualified players (typically those that foul out) remain on the bench. Ejected players go to the locker room.

Two technical fouls, or one flagrant foul, warrant a disqualification. We had a flagrant personal foul (elbow to the head) in a game last week. That player was disqualified, and remained on the bench.

That's not to say you still can't eject a disqualified player, but as already stated here, there has to be adult supervision.

By rule, Players and Substitutes are Disqualified. Head Coaches are Disqualified and Ejected. All other Bench Personnel are Ejected.

MTD, Sr.

[Freddy]

Interesting things I didn't know before.
First, the book does not speak of "ejection" of a player, only, as in Casebook 10.5, of a disqualified player required to leave the vicinity of the court in the extreme situation noted above. Therefore, a player can be "disqualified", and forced to leave the vicinity of the court, but not, as the term is frequently used, "ejected."
Second, the terms "disqualified" and "ejected" seem to be used synonymously for the head coach, when merited. A disqualified coach or adult bench personnel seem to be ejected, forced to leave the vicinity of the court, and an ejected coach is one who has been disqualified -- 10-4, 10-5 (last NOTE in each).

Here's the only reference in either Rulebook or Casebook dealing with the player having to leave the vicinity of the court:
10.5: ...A disqualified team member or student bench personnel shall go to or remain on the bench. However, in an unusual situation, an official has the authority to require that these individuals who have committed a flagrant technical foul must leave the vicinity of the court. This action is necessary when permitting such offenders to remain at courtside would tend to incite the crowd, to incite the opponents, or to subject the officials, opponents or others administering the game, to unsporting harassment. In such circumstances, the official should require the individual who has committed a flagrant foul to leave the vicinity of the court with an adult supervisor.
It must be emphasized that an official does have this authority, when the circumstances resulting from any flagrant foul warrant it. (10-5 Note)

Is this right?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bainsey

My understanding is there's a difference between disqualified and ejected. Disqualified players (typically those that foul out) remain on the bench. Ejected players go to the locker room.

Two technical fouls, or one flagrant foul, warrant a disqualification. We had a flagrant personal foul (elbow to the head) in a game last week. That player was disqualified, and remained on the bench.

That's not to say you still can't eject a disqualified player, but as already stated here, there has to be adult supervision.

Correct. NFHS players are generally minors. Can't let them go off on their own because of liability and accountability factors. NCAA rules are different because the players are adults.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Her actions leaving the court should lead to a school suspension.

Absolutely. But not our place as officials to recommend that on the disqualification/ejection report. We state the facts. The school and state association determine any suspensions.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

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Absolutely. But not our place as officials to recommend that on the disqualification/ejection report. We state the facts. The school and state association determine any suspensions.

I was making the comment in reference to the fact that she was a student, on school grounds, during a sanctioned school event.

CoachP mentioned an adult meeting her at the end of her antics. It was probably the principal or one of his/her vices.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

What bothers me about the OP was that H5 was allowed by the Game Officials to walk unescorted by an adult from the Bench across the Court to where an adult was waiting.

When H5 was Disqualified for the 2nd TF with is a Flagrant TF by definition, someone from the officiating crew should have been escorting her to the Bench and that officials while informing her HC that she had been Disqualified for a FTF, that official should have informed her HC that H5 was to remain on the Bench because she was to remain under adult supervision. Usually that triggers the following response from the HC: "I don't want her on the Bench. Can I send her to our lockerroom." To which the official should have replied: "Yes, Coach, but she must remain under adult supervision at all times. From the Bench to the lockerroom and at all times while she is in the lockerroom."

The instant I would have seen H5 leaving the Bench area I would have been escorting her back to the Bench and asked her HC where H5 was going.

MTD, Sr.

[JRutledge]

Maybe I am alone in this, I would have no problem T'ing her up again for that little display. For one if we did not ask her to leave, she is bench personnel. The coach would learn at that point and might take further action. I am not going to be used for your frustration. Again the more action I take, the harder it is to blame me when all of this is in a report.

Peace

[CoachP]

Updated, player has been removed from the team and will be disciplined as a student also.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Updated, player has been removed from the team and will be disciplined as a student also.

That is awesome.

Kind of surprised the school went that far, but I think that's exactly what they should have done!