Ejection

[CoachP]

Had an ejection in the Girls Varsity before my game. Late in a tight game that eventually went to OT.

We were visitors. Home # 5 gets whistled for a hold. A couple colorful metaphors from the player earns her "T" number one. After she get's the "T", player #5 gives the "T" sign right back to the official, literally 6 inches in front of the officials face. Whack #2.

Coach gets the player to the bench while official reports all the shananigans to the table. Then informs the coach that #5 is ejected and has to leave the confines.

Since the locker room is opposite the benches, #5 has to cross the court. (Well she could have walked around the endline). But in her stroll across the floor, walks between the other 2 officials and flips them each a bird. Then does a 360 turn with said birds held high for all to see.

Was enough enough, or should either of the other 2 officials tossed in another "T"?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Had an ejection in the Girls Varsity before my game. Late in a tight game that eventually went to OT.

We were visitors. Home # 5 gets whistled for a hold. A couple colorful metaphors from the player earns her "T" number one. After she get's the "T", player #5 gives the "T" sign right back to the official, literally 6 inches in front of the officials face. Whack #2.

Coach gets the player to the bench while official reports all the shananigans to the table. Then informs the coach that #5 is ejected and has to leave the confines.

Since the locker room is opposite the benches, #5 has to cross the court. (Well she could have walked around the endline). But in her stroll across the floor, walks between the other 2 officials and flips them each a bird. Then does a 360 turn with said birds held high for all to see.

Was enough enough, or should either of the other 2 officials tossed in another "T"?

NFHS Rules require the Disqualified Player to remain on the Bench so as to be under the supervision of her HC. The only way she could have gone to her team's lockerroom is if an adult from her school escorted her to the lockerroom and remained there with her.

The officiating crew should have smacked up side of their collective heads for telling her HC that she had to go to the lockeroom.

MTD, Sr.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Had an ejection in the Girls Varsity before my game. Late in a tight game that eventually went to OT.

We were visitors. Home # 5 gets whistled for a hold. A couple colorful metaphors from the player earns her "T" number one. After she get's the "T", player #5 gives the "T" sign right back to the official, literally 6 inches in front of the officials face. Whack #2.

Coach gets the player to the bench while official reports all the shananigans to the table. Then informs the coach that #5 is ejected and has to leave the confines.

Since the locker room is opposite the benches, #5 has to cross the court. (Well she could have walked around the endline). But in her stroll across the floor, walks between the other 2 officials and flips them each a bird. Then does a 360 turn with said birds held high for all to see.

Was enough enough, or should either of the other 2 officials tossed in another "T"?

First, I thought an ejected player does not have to leave the gym - they can stay on the bench. No? Second, if I saw the kid do that on her way out, I would T her again and give the coach an indirect.

[Dave9819]

Unless your state has different rules for an ejected player, the ejected player is supposed to remain on the bench. If it is necessary to send any player (ejected or not) off the court, then a school representative should be sent with that player as well.

Since the player was ejected/disqualified and the coach notified, that player is now considered bench personal. In this case, any flipping of the bird, bad behavior, etc. that would earn a T would be assessed to her and also be an indirect against the Head Coach. The Head Coach has now lost his/her coaching box.

[CoachP]

To clarify, she would not stop chirping on the bench and yes, an adult met up with her after she crossed the floor. Not sure who the adult was.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by CoachP

To clarify, she would not stop chirping on the bench and yes, an adult met up with her after she crossed the floor. Not sure who the adult was.

Her actions leaving the court should lead to a school suspension.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by Smitty

First, I thought an ejected player does not have to leave the gym - they can stay on the bench. No? Second, if I saw the kid do that on her way out, I would T her again and give the coach an indirect.

At the high school level, players (non-adults) are disqualified to the bench (not ejected), unless removal from the gym is absolutely necessary. And then, with adult supervision. Adults can be ejected and have to leave the gym...

10-5-5 Note
...Ejected adult bench personnel shall leave the vicinity (out of sight and sound) of the playing area immediately and are prohibited from any further contact (direct or indirect) with the team during the remainder of the game. Failure to comply with the rules of ejection may result in the game being forfeited.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by CoachP

To clarify, she would not stop chirping on the bench and yes, an adult met up with her after she crossed the floor. Not sure who the adult was.

If that is the case, then the officials were 100% correct to have her removed from the bench with proper supervision.

There is a passage in the NFHS rules book about this as well as stating that a player disqualified for a flagrant foul may be removed from the gym at the discretion of the officials. People seem to forget about these provisions.

The final action of that team member would have earned a flagrant technical foul if I had been on the court.

Originally Posted by CoachP

Had an ejection in the Girls Varsity before my game. Late in a tight game that eventually went to OT.

We were visitors. Home # 5 gets whistled for a hold. A couple colorful metaphors from the player earns her "T" number one. After she get's the "T", player #5 gives the "T" sign right back to the official, literally 6 inches in front of the officials face. Whack #2.

Coach gets the player to the bench while official reports all the shananigans to the table. Then informs the coach that #5 is ejected and has to leave the confines.

Since the locker room is opposite the benches, #5 has to cross the court. (Well she could have walked around the endline). But in her stroll across the floor, walks between the other 2 officials and flips them each a bird. Then does a 360 turn with said birds held high for all to see.

Was enough enough, or should either of the other 2 officials tossed in another "T"?

Damn. I'm glad you made her leave, but there's no way you can make sure she has an escort the whole way. As for the actions once she was DQ'd, I'd keep whacking her and hope I didn't get to three indirects by the time she left the floor. I hope you have a lengthy talk with your state association, let us know the result if you do.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If that is the case, then the officials were 100% correct to have her removed from the bench with proper supervision.

There is a passage in the NFHS rules book about this as well as stating that a player disqualified for a flagrant foul may be removed from the gym at the discretion of the officials. People seem to forget about these provisions.

The final action of that team member would have earned a flagrant technical foul if I had been on the court.

You are correct but from the OP it appears that the HC was letting her leave without adult supervision. The game officials should have never let that happen in the first place.

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

Had a similar situation. V1 was tossed for fighting, coach sends him to the locker room (we did not), and he flips off the home crowd on his way out.
We called another T.

[bainsey]

My understanding is there's a difference between disqualified and ejected. Disqualified players (typically those that foul out) remain on the bench. Ejected players go to the locker room.

Two technical fouls, or one flagrant foul, warrant a disqualification. We had a flagrant personal foul (elbow to the head) in a game last week. That player was disqualified, and remained on the bench.

That's not to say you still can't eject a disqualified player, but as already stated here, there has to be adult supervision.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bainsey

My understanding is there's a difference between disqualified and ejected. Disqualified players (typically those that foul out) remain on the bench. Ejected players go to the locker room.

Two technical fouls, or one flagrant foul, warrant a disqualification. We had a flagrant personal foul (elbow to the head) in a game last week. That player was disqualified, and remained on the bench.

That's not to say you still can't eject a disqualified player, but as already stated here, there has to be adult supervision.

By rule, Players and Substitutes are Disqualified. Head Coaches are Disqualified and Ejected. All other Bench Personnel are Ejected.

MTD, Sr.

[Freddy]

Interesting things I didn't know before.
First, the book does not speak of "ejection" of a player, only, as in Casebook 10.5, of a disqualified player required to leave the vicinity of the court in the extreme situation noted above. Therefore, a player can be "disqualified", and forced to leave the vicinity of the court, but not, as the term is frequently used, "ejected."
Second, the terms "disqualified" and "ejected" seem to be used synonymously for the head coach, when merited. A disqualified coach or adult bench personnel seem to be ejected, forced to leave the vicinity of the court, and an ejected coach is one who has been disqualified -- 10-4, 10-5 (last NOTE in each).

Here's the only reference in either Rulebook or Casebook dealing with the player having to leave the vicinity of the court:
10.5: ...A disqualified team member or student bench personnel shall go to or remain on the bench. However, in an unusual situation, an official has the authority to require that these individuals who have committed a flagrant technical foul must leave the vicinity of the court. This action is necessary when permitting such offenders to remain at courtside would tend to incite the crowd, to incite the opponents, or to subject the officials, opponents or others administering the game, to unsporting harassment. In such circumstances, the official should require the individual who has committed a flagrant foul to leave the vicinity of the court with an adult supervisor.
It must be emphasized that an official does have this authority, when the circumstances resulting from any flagrant foul warrant it. (10-5 Note)

Is this right?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bainsey

My understanding is there's a difference between disqualified and ejected. Disqualified players (typically those that foul out) remain on the bench. Ejected players go to the locker room.

Two technical fouls, or one flagrant foul, warrant a disqualification. We had a flagrant personal foul (elbow to the head) in a game last week. That player was disqualified, and remained on the bench.

That's not to say you still can't eject a disqualified player, but as already stated here, there has to be adult supervision.

Correct. NFHS players are generally minors. Can't let them go off on their own because of liability and accountability factors. NCAA rules are different because the players are adults.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Her actions leaving the court should lead to a school suspension.

Absolutely. But not our place as officials to recommend that on the disqualification/ejection report. We state the facts. The school and state association determine any suspensions.