Count the basket?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by paxsonref

Posted on Arbiter - NCAA Women

DATE:

11/25/2014

RULE:

2-7-12, 6-5-1-f

QUESTION:

If we have an offensive foul (i.e. illegal screen) that occurs before the ball is released for a try, but the whistle does not sound until after the try is in flight, would we have to count the basket if it is made and then possibly shoot 1-and-1 bonus (if applicable) at the other end since there is no team control on a shot? I am led to believe this based on the 11/6 interp, but feel that we are rewarding the offense for an illegal act. I have a video of just such a play if you need to see it.

Would it make more sense to have the interp worded as such:

When the official has definitive knowledge that the foul happened prior to the release of the ball (for offensive fouls) or prior to the beginning of the try motion (for defensive fouls), then the shot shall be waved off. When the official does not have definitive knowledge, the sounding of the whistle will determine when the foul happened.

ANSWER:

The interpretation that was posted was based on previous responses to this question which may or may not have been made available to a wider audience. The rule is clear that the whistle sounds when a foul occurs (Rule 2-7.12) and the timer does not stop the clock until an official signals (again, present tense) a foul (Rule 5-11.1.a). A foul has not occurred until the whistle is blown. Previously, there was a video bulletin (2010-11, Video Bulletin #5 - Illegal Screen with Successful Try) which gives guidance for when it may be “too close to call” in determining whether or not the act of shooting occurred before or after a defensive foul not committed against the shooter or whether the ball is in flight before a team control foul occurs.

There's so much wrong with that interpretation, but I'll stick with the fact that we're not talking about NCAAW rules here, so I don't have to worry about this particular wrong interpretation.

Someone needs to vet that crap before it gets published.