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technically speaking you may have to wait until they show up to add them to the book and then assess the T. i would have done what you did.... |
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Rule reference please? I'm not seeing it. |
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1. That's absurd. 2. There is no rule requiring that. I had a JV game last week in which a kid forgot his jersey at home, so a parent went back to get it. He warmed up in a t-shirt and was listed in the book as normal with his jersey number. He simply didn't participate until after his parent arrived with his jersey. Now since he wasn't "in uniform" do you believe that he wasn't a team member at the beginning of that contest? He most certainly is a member of the team. |
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Written Test Question ...
Remember, I'm not talking about realistic officiating here. I slept well last night after allowing those names to be added to the book.
I'm really interested in this as a by-the-rulebook written test question, like one of those tricky questions that the NFHS, or IAABO, comes up with every year. Please continue discussing.
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ART. 1 A team shall not: Fail to supply the scorer with the name and number of each team member who may participate ... So, if they show up after the 10 min mark, and the official scorer already has their info, seems like they've met the requirement. Remember, the requirement is to provide the official scorer with the required information. Not make sure they are in the book by the 10 min mark.
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You handled it properly. The book can be modified up until the ten minute mark without any issue. Players can arrive late as long as their number and name are in the book there shouldn't be any penalty.
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Rule 3 says give names and numbers of all TEAM MEMBERS. TEAM MEMBERS are defined 4-34 as players in uniform eligible to participate. just based on these two things i could see a test question and an NFHS answer (absurd) saying players have to be in uniform before you can add them to book. |
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The NFHS can come up with some weird rulings, but I'd be shocked if this one ever came out. I'd eat my basketball belt.
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i have them put everybody down. i'm not arguing player has to be there...im just looking at those two provisions and saying i could see a goofy test question saying they all have to be there...there is the provision saying penalty to add a name to list after 10 minute mark. if you can write them all down to begin with you never have to add a name... again, im just looking at this as a test type situation. i can see from these provisions that they could declare you have to be there in uniform....before name goes in book...that would be dumb, stupid and every other adjective...but i've seen dumb, stupid before.... |
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With Archival Jurassic Referee Comments ...
More fuel for the fire:
https://forum.officiating.com/basket...tml#post510764 And this (below) is what's bugging me: IAABO Refresher Exam 2005: Question 73. Squad member #45 missed the bus and is not present at the time the squad list and starting lineup must be submitted for team members. During the pregame warmup, the referee counts eleven team members of team A but while checking the book team A has twelve team members listed. Referee informs the coach that the squad member who is not present may not be placed in the book even if he/she will get to the game late. Is the referee correct? Answer: Yes Rule Citation: Rule 3, Section 2, Article 1; Rule 4, Section 34, Article 4 And, even though we allowed the names to be written in the book, I'm still going to sleep well again tonight. Like a baby.
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I do not give a darn who is in the book as long as they are eligible to play as any other player that may or may not be there. And since I do not work for an IAABO organization, I do not care what their ruling is. Here if they have 11 players on the court and 15 are listed in the book, I do not care. I will not even ask other than to make sure that they have everyone listed that may play. I do not even get a coach that crosses off names of players that are injured the might have not have made the bus. Why would I care to know a player might not play?
Do not complicate the issue. Peace
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