Tippy toes backcourt

[wjc3]

Interesting play my crew had the other night. During a sideline inbound play A1 passed the ball to A2. A2 caught the ball and had both of the front of her shoes in the frontcourt just in front of the halfcourt line. She stayed on her tippy toes for a half-second and then placed her heels on the ground on the line.

What do you have???
My partner called a backcourt violation. My other partner disagreed with the call after the game. I am still not sure.

[jTheUmp]

If she wasn't touching the backcourt (or the division line) while standing on her tippy-toes, then she had frontcourt status, and team control of the ball in the frontcourt after a thrown-in.

When her heels touched the division line, she now had backcourt status.

Thus, violation.

[bob jenkins]

If the player was in the air when she caught the ball, and then landed with her toes in the FC, and then put the heels on the ground in the BC, it's legal, I think.

If she caught the ball while on the ground, then I agree it's a violation.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the player was in the air when she caught the ball, and then landed with her toes in the FC, and then put the heels on the ground in the BC, it's legal, I think...

You are correct. Player is given leeway for normal landing actions.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the player was in the air when she caught the ball, and then landed with her toes in the FC, and then put the heels on the ground in the BC, it's legal, I think.

If she caught the ball while on the ground, then I agree it's a violation.

i'm not going to require her to come down exactly flat footed etc…natural landing ok as others have said. but if, as in the play here, she hangs up on the toes in front court, (not natural) then puts heels down still a violation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigCat

i'm not going to require her to come down exactly flat footed etc…natural landing ok as others have said. but if, as in the play here, she hangs up on the toes in front court, (not natural) then puts heels down still a violation.

There is a case play (or interp) where the player lands on one foot, balances that way for a while, and then puts the second foot down in the BC. Ruling: Legal.

I think the same concept applies.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There is a case play (or interp) where the player lands on one foot, balances that way for a while, and then puts the second foot down in the BC. Ruling: Legal.

I think the same concept applies.

that has to be an interp. throw in back court exception in rule uses phrase "normal landing" . player who catches ball in air can make "normal landing" and doesn't matter which foot hits first where….

a normal landing can vary i suppose if another player is around but if player catches ball with one foot in front court and just lets one foot hang in air (because he is being abnormal)that is not normal landing. if he then puts the foot in the back court i am going to call the violation. same with the toes. i will give player every opportunity to make a normal landing but if he or she is on toes and stays there, as opposed to coming down normally, and then puts heels down, I'm going to call the violation.
because that's not normal...

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the player was in the air when she caught the ball, and then landed with her toes in the FC, and then put the heels on the ground in the BC, it's legal, I think.

If she caught the ball while on the ground, then I agree it's a violation.

Bob:

Per NFHS R9-S9-A3 and NFHS Casebook Play 9.9.1 Situation B(a) the play in the OP is a violation.


R9-S9-A3: During a jump ball, throw-in or while on defense, a player may legally jump from his/her frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both feet off the floor and return to the floor with one or both feet in the backcourt. The player may make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt.


Casebook Play 9.9.1 Situation B: During a jump ball, A1 taps the ball. A2 takes off from Team A's frontcourt and catches the ball while in the air. A2 lands with: (a) both feet in frontcourt and then steps to backcourt with one foot; (b) one foot in backcourt and one in the frontcourt; or (c) both feet in the backcourt.

RULING: Team control is not established until A2 catches the ball. Violation in (a). Legal in (b) and (c). (4-12-6; 9-9-3)


A2's landed with both feet in Team A's Front Court. Per rule, landing with both feet in the Front Court does not meet the exception that the rule describes.

MTD, Sr.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Bob:

Per NFHS R9-S9-A3 and NFHS Casebook Play 9.9.1 Situation B(a) the play in the OP is a violation.


R9-S9-A3: During a jump ball, throw-in or while on defense, a player may legally jump from his/her frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both feet off the floor and return to the floor with one or both feet in the backcourt. The player may make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt.


Casebook Play 9.9.1 Situation B: During a jump ball, A1 taps the ball. A2 takes off from Team A's frontcourt and catches the ball while in the air. A2 lands with: (a) both feet in frontcourt and then steps to backcourt with one foot; (b) one foot in backcourt and one in the frontcourt; or (c) both feet in the backcourt.

RULING: Team control is not established until A2 catches the ball. Violation in (a). Legal in (b) and (c). (4-12-6; 9-9-3)


A2's landed with both feet in Team A's Front Court. Per rule, landing with both feet in the Front Court does not meet the exception that the rule describes.

MTD, Sr.

The OP didn't say that A2 was in the air and then landed. You're also assuming that the jump (if there was one) started from the front court.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

The OP didn't say that A2 was in the air and then landed. You're also assuming that the jump (if there was one) started from the front court.

That makes the call even easier: Backcourt Violation.

MTD, Sr.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

The OP didn't say that A2 was in the air and then landed. You're also assuming that the jump (if there was one) started from the front court.

Coach:

My post which your are quoting is in response to Bob Jenkins post which said that it would not be a BC Violation if A2 had caught the ball while in the air, and not to the OP.

MTD, Sr.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by wjc3

Interesting play my crew had the other night. During a sideline inbound play A1 passed the ball to A2. A2 caught the ball and had both of the front of her shoes in the frontcourt just in front of the halfcourt line. She stayed on her tippy toes for a half-second and then placed her heels on the ground on the line.

What do you have???
My partner called a backcourt violation. My other partner disagreed with the call after the game. I am still not sure.

What was the reasoning for your other partner not thinking this was a violation?

[La Rikardo]

If she's the first to touch the ball inbounds while airborne, she can make a normal landing anywhere regardless of FC/BC status. If she's on the ground when she catches the ball and no part of her is touching BC, then she and the ball have FC status. When she puts her heels on the line, she and the ball then have BC status and a violation occurs.

[wjc3]

j51969,

My other partner disagreed with the call because he believed that she should be able to put her whole foot down due to the short length of time she was on her tippy toes.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by wjc3

j51969,

My other partner disagreed with the call because he believed that she should be able to put her whole foot down due to the short length of time she was on her tippy toes.

Then he should submit a rule change request to the Fed.