Goaltending during a FT

[Altor]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The ball would have to bounce right and the player would have to be in the perfect position.
Peace

I think Bob is saying that if the ball is "in the cylinder", even if it had not yet hit, it would normally be BI not GT. There would be no bounce in this scenario.

As BillyMac points out for NFHS, though, you might have some rule backing to call it GT and assess the T.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Altor

I think Bob is saying that if the ball is "in the cylinder", even if it had not yet hit, it would normally be BI not GT. There would be no bounce in this scenario.

As BillyMac points out for NFHS, though, you might have some rule backing to call it GT and assess the T.

But BI does not mean hitting the ball necessarily. Not sure how you get the ball in the cylinder without GT on a FT which does not require usually 4 points to have GT during any other shot. But in a FT situation, you do not need those 4 things to apply. Once you touch the ball on a FT on the way to the basket, you get the heavier penalty. Maybe I am missing how that is really possible in most cases.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not sure how you get the ball in the cylinder without GT on a FT

The definition of "GT on a FT" specifically says "outside the cylinder."

In the video you provided, what if the contact had been made a foot later (or whatever -- I didn't watch it again)? The ball would have been in the cylinder.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The definition of "GT on a FT" specifically says "outside the cylinder."

In the video you provided, what if the contact had been made a foot later (or whatever -- I didn't watch it again)? The ball would have been in the cylinder.

I get you on this, but I do not think the rule's intent is to call BI if the ball already hit the rim or the backboard.

Peace

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The definition of "GT on a FT" specifically says "outside the cylinder."

In the video you provided, what if the contact had been made a foot later (or whatever -- I didn't watch it again)? The ball would have been in the cylinder.

Bob, under the rules as written it would not be a T. should be cause just as egregious but rule wording doesn't make that goaltending. GOALTENDING "occurs when player touches ball during FIELD GOAL TRY OT TAP while on downward flight above ring level….. Billy Mac points out with that definition a ball in the cylinder can now be BI or goaltending. But it is limited to field goal try or tap.

The goaltending definition relating to a free throw says it is goaltending if you touch the ball outside the cylinder. To have rule basis for the T it should say something like it is goaltending during a free throw if a player touches the ball before it hits the basket ring.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

The goaltending definition relating to a free throw says it is goaltending if you touch the ball outside the cylinder.

4-22: Goaltending occurs when ... an opponent of the free thrower
touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free-throw attempt.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

4-22: Goaltending occurs when ... an opponent of the free thrower
touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free-throw attempt.

Yes opponent thx. And thx for cite

[JetMetFan]

Bob, I may be mixing metaphors here but consider another scenario: It's a violation for a throw-in to go directly into a team's basket. However if, on a throw-in, a player violates the BI rule it's still BI.

In other words, BI exists independently of many other things that can take place, including GT.