Dirbbling FIBA rule interpretation

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

9-5: A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended, unless it is after he/she has lost control because of:
ART. 1 A try for field goal.
ART. 2 A touch by an opponent.
ART. 3 A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by, another player

Have any of these three things happened?

No, and I do understand that under the rules as written he should not be able to dribble. What I am saying or trying to say is that under the rules as written I don't think he should even be able to catch his pass off of the backboard. He has already dribbled, he throws a pass off board, takes a few steps and catches the ball without it touching anyone else. Under the rule definitions I see that as a violation...

But the case book says he can catch it. i'm asking if there is rule support for the catch off of the board. Something more than the casebook play. There could be I'm just not seeing it.

If the NFHS is going to let him catch the ball when the rules, in my opinion say he shouldn't be able to, then I guess it is my frustration saying let him dribble it also.

Anyway, I'm looking for something other than the case book play, something in rules, which allows him to catch the ball off the board after dribbling etc. thx for your reply.

[SNIPERBBB]

Other than a slam dunk contest, your going to rule a pass against the his/her backboard as a try.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

You're going to rule a pass against the his/her backboard as a try.

Agree in theory, but how about a NFHS rule citation?

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree in theory, but how about a NFHS rule citation?

I also agree. Once "deemed" a try your covered by rule to let him catch dribble etc. I may deem every thrown ball that hits backboard a try. Even when they are obviously a pass...I understand the practical way to deal with it.

The play we are talking about though says it is a pass. The play is not deeming it a try. It's says it is ok because it is part of teams equipment...I don't see where that comes from in the actual rules is all I'm saying.
Thx for replying.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

It's says it is OK because it is part of teams equipment.

So ... if I'm a dribbler, and I end my dribble, I could the bounce the ball off my headband (equipment), allow the ball to fall to the floor, and legally pick the ball up. Can I now legally start a new dribble?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So ... if I'm a dribbler, and I end my dribble, I could the bounce the ball off my headband (equipment), allow the ball to fall to the floor, and legally pick the ball up. Can I now legally start a new dribble?

Ask Mary

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So ... if I'm a dribbler, and I end my dribble, I could the bounce the ball off my headband (equipment), allow the ball to fall to the floor, and legally pick the ball up. Can I now legally start a new dribble?

IF you end your dribble, then pass the ball off your headband and it bounces away I'm going to call a violation when you pick it up. As I said earlier I don't know where it comes from or why they declared it was ok to catch a pass off the board after ending the dribble. It's not in the rule book and doesn't make sense to say "equipment." I will allow the catch off the backboard because the exact play is in the casebook. Your headband play isn't...yet.

P.s. Doesn't say much for your teammates that you have to pass it off your head rather than to them😊

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Doesn't say much for your teammates that you have to pass it off your head rather than to them.

Me, to the player, "That's using your head".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I will allow the catch off the backboard because the exact play is in the casebook.

Then will you allow said player to start a new dribble?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Anyway, I'm looking for something other than the case book play, something in rules, which allows him to catch the ball off the board after dribbling etc. thx for your reply.

You're not going to find it. Sometimes, the NFHS alters the rules by using case plays. In this case, it's a one-off, and changing the rules would likely affect plays they don't want included, so they just use a case play. I wouldn't use the logic they give for this play on any other play.

Sometimes, they try fixing inadvertent changes with case plays and interpretations. When they change a rule for one purpose, and realize later that it affected other things they didn't want affected (see above), rather than try to find another way to change the rule without affecting the other plays, they simply leave the rule changed and issue a case play that "fixes" the problem.

Only it doesn't.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

You're not going to find it. Sometimes, the NFHS alters the rules by using case plays. In this case, it's a one-off, and changing the rules would likely affect plays they don't want included, so they just use a case play. I wouldn't use the logic they give for this play on any other play.

Sometimes, they try fixing inadvertent changes with case plays and interpretations. When they change a rule for one purpose, and realize later that it affected other things they didn't want affected (see above), rather than try to find another way to change the rule without affecting the other plays, they simply leave the rule changed and issue a case play that "fixes" the problem.

Only it doesn't.

I agree completely. Thx