So you think he was being nice huh?

[Hugh Refner]

Here's a quote from the article:

Get clarification from the referee on exactly what your player is doing wrong in the referees eyes so that you can tell the player to adjust.

Here's an example of what my answer would be regarding "get clarification": "Tell your player not to commit fouls."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Hugh Refner

Here's a quote from the article:

Get clarification from the referee on exactly what your player is doing wrong in the referees eyes so that you can tell the player to adjust.

Here's an example of what my answer would be regarding "get clarification": "Tell your player not to commit fouls."

And if you tell them that, you are the bad guy. And this is the problem I have with the article. The information is fine to tell coaches how to communicate with the officials, but it is wrong to think that these things are going to get you a call or manipulate the official in getting a call.

Peace

[Adam]

Just to pile on, #8 tells me this guy doesn't coach much higher level ball at all.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

Just to pile on, #8 tells me this guy doesn't coach much higher level ball at all.

Exactly.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

Just to pile on, #8 tells me this guy doesn't coach much higher level ball at all.

From #8: "...You don’t want the referee walking into your next match with a grudge against you..."

Seriously?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

From #8: "...You don’t want the referee walking into your next match with a grudge against you..."

Seriously?

And I guess the handshake is going to solve all of that. Laughable.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

From #8: "...You don’t want the referee walking into your next match with a grudge against you..."

Seriously?

Yeah, that was part of the problem for me, too. He obviously thinks very low of the integrity of the officials he gets. The fact that they're hanging around after his games tells me all I need to know about the level of games he's working.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Hugh Refner

Here's a quote from the article:

Get clarification from the referee on exactly what your player is doing wrong in the referees eyes so that you can tell the player to adjust.

Here's an example of what my answer would be regarding "get clarification": "Tell your player not to commit fouls."

+1

MTD, Sr.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Hugh Refner

Here's a quote from the article:

Get clarification from the referee on exactly what your player is doing wrong in the referees eyes so that you can tell the player to adjust.

Here's an example of what my answer would be regarding "get clarification": "Tell your player not to commit fouls."

That's a ridiculous answer. There will be many times a coach did not get a good view of a play. I will always look for the mechanic given, but sometimes I miss it. Good officials will always give this information when asked properly.

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

That's a ridiculous answer. There will be many times a coach did not get a good view of a play. I will always look for the mechanic given, but sometimes I miss it. Good officials will always give this information when asked properly.

I think he was referencing a situation where a coach tries to put a ref in a hard situation by asking a general question then contesting the ref's answer. I can tell when a coach is trying to be an ash-hole about it, and usually don't answer.

I agree with what you wrote, but there is a difference between a coach saying "I didn't see the play ref, what did you call?" and "Ref, what is my player doing wrong for you to call fouls on him?"

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

That's a ridiculous answer. There will be many times a coach did not get a good view of a play. I will always look for the mechanic given, but sometimes I miss it. Good officials will always give this information when asked properly.

I agree. If you ask me respectfully, I'll tell you. A coach may not be able to see something from his/her angle or the player may genuinely not know what (s)he did wrong. However, if I start giving an answer and the coach either cuts me off or says "that's not what happened," I'm done. Asking me a question then telling me I'm wrong doesn't cut it.

Originally Posted by rsl

I don't like number 2. I know a lot of coaches, and I don't mind them calling me by my first name. But when a guy I just met starts repeating my name during the game, it is just annoying.

As I said elsewhere, my ex calls me by my first name and that doesn't get her any brownie points either. I'll respond if they call me since that's what my mother named me but I don't want it to be a habit, especially if I'm calling them "Coach."

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

As I said elsewhere, my ex calls me by my first name and that doesn't get her any brownie points either. I'll respond if they call me since that's what my mother named me but I don't want it to be a habit, especially if I'm calling them "Coach."

Just reminded me of something...thanks.

I've never seen such a divisive non-issue as whether an official calls a coach "Coach" or by his first name.

I've been using first names for going on 30 years. The fact I do that at my levels isn't going to be changed by some Referee magazine poll or by someone in my association telling me it's a bad idea, in their opinion.

At higher levels, I'd do what I'm told by the people who hire me, but at my level (HS varsity only) there isn't that level of control where I live.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've been using first names for going on 30 years.

I'll only call a coach by his first name if his name is "Technical".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

Just reminded me of something...thanks.

I've never seen such a divisive non-issue as whether an official calls a coach "Coach" or by his first name.

I've been using first names for going on 30 years. The fact I do that at my levels isn't going to be changed by some Referee magazine poll or by someone in my association telling me it's a bad idea, in their opinion.

At higher levels, I'd do what I'm told by the people who hire me, but at my level (HS varsity only) there isn't that level of control where I live.

I do not think it is a non-issue. It is an issue for some and that is the problem with the advice. It is also a values issue and you will offend the wrong people if you call them by their first name. That is why I do not call coaches by their first name unless I know both coach in a similar fashion and even then I default to "Coach" when referring or talking to them.

Ultimately you do what you want, but if you do not know me, I do not want you calling me by my first name. I do not do that in business or personal. You are Mr. or Mrs or Sir and Ma'am to me. I still do not even feel comfortable calling people by their first name that were adults when I was a kid. But I was raised that way and I still believe in that way of thinking.

Peace

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Hugh Refner

Here's a quote from the article:

Get clarification from the referee on exactly what your player is doing wrong in the referees eyes so that you can tell the player to adjust.

Here's an example of what my answer would be regarding "get clarification": "Tell your player not to commit fouls."

I think that is a horrible answer for his question. The author's point was each referee is in a different point in their development. One referee may have in their mind something that is a violation or foul that a seasoned referee does not. The way this question is asked by the coach to the referee is to get from the referee on that game, what the player needs to do to prevent that call from being called against his player. Basically, the coach knows the rule but the referee may not. I think this is a very polite and productive way of approaching the situation that I am not going to get upset about.