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Old Mon Aug 18, 2014, 07:50am
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So you think he was being nice huh?

How to Manipulate the Referees to Make Every Call in Your Team's Favor | Basketball For Coaches

Still funny stuff.

I am actually surprised this was not posted here. But it is really funny to me. What do you think?

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Old Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:08am
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I see the author is a fan of fantasies.
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Old Mon Aug 18, 2014, 10:55am
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I don't mind his points, I think some of those are great communication tips for coaches.

Not sure how he comes out with his conclusion though, he might as well have said, "If you do these 9 things, you will have a fantastic chance of seeing aliens after the game".
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I don't have a real problem with this article, but it does remind me of a big pet peeve of mine.

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A couple of referee decisions can decide a basketball game.
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After all, the opposition only receives two free throws. This might be a big deal at the end of a close game, but when put into the context of a full game with all the missed shots and 50/50 calls, two free throws isn’t much.
Flip-flop?

So if a referee makes one or two bad calls during a game it's a bad thing, as it can decide a game. But a coach purposely giving the opposition two free throws (and possession, mind you... which he forgot to add), can be a good strategy?

Unreal.
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Here's a quote from the article:

Get clarification from the referee on exactly what your player is doing wrong in the referees eyes so that you can tell the player to adjust.

Here's an example of what my answer would be regarding "get clarification": "Tell your player not to commit fouls."
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Old Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:49am
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Here's a quote from the article:

Get clarification from the referee on exactly what your player is doing wrong in the referees eyes so that you can tell the player to adjust.

Here's an example of what my answer would be regarding "get clarification": "Tell your player not to commit fouls."
And if you tell them that, you are the bad guy. And this is the problem I have with the article. The information is fine to tell coaches how to communicate with the officials, but it is wrong to think that these things are going to get you a call or manipulate the official in getting a call.

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Just to pile on, #8 tells me this guy doesn't coach much higher level ball at all.
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Just to pile on, #8 tells me this guy doesn't coach much higher level ball at all.
Exactly.

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Just to pile on, #8 tells me this guy doesn't coach much higher level ball at all.
From #8: "...You don’t want the referee walking into your next match with a grudge against you..."

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From #8: "...You don’t want the referee walking into your next match with a grudge against you..."

Seriously?
And I guess the handshake is going to solve all of that. Laughable.

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From #8: "...You don’t want the referee walking into your next match with a grudge against you..."

Seriously?
Yeah, that was part of the problem for me, too. He obviously thinks very low of the integrity of the officials he gets. The fact that they're hanging around after his games tells me all I need to know about the level of games he's working.
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Get clarification from the referee on exactly what your player is doing wrong in the referees eyes so that you can tell the player to adjust.

Here's an example of what my answer would be regarding "get clarification": "Tell your player not to commit fouls."

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Get clarification from the referee on exactly what your player is doing wrong in the referees eyes so that you can tell the player to adjust.

Here's an example of what my answer would be regarding "get clarification": "Tell your player not to commit fouls."
That's a ridiculous answer. There will be many times a coach did not get a good view of a play. I will always look for the mechanic given, but sometimes I miss it. Good officials will always give this information when asked properly.
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That's a ridiculous answer. There will be many times a coach did not get a good view of a play. I will always look for the mechanic given, but sometimes I miss it. Good officials will always give this information when asked properly.
I think he was referencing a situation where a coach tries to put a ref in a hard situation by asking a general question then contesting the ref's answer. I can tell when a coach is trying to be an ash-hole about it, and usually don't answer.

I agree with what you wrote, but there is a difference between a coach saying "I didn't see the play ref, what did you call?" and "Ref, what is my player doing wrong for you to call fouls on him?"
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That's a ridiculous answer. There will be many times a coach did not get a good view of a play. I will always look for the mechanic given, but sometimes I miss it. Good officials will always give this information when asked properly.
I agree. If you ask me respectfully, I'll tell you. A coach may not be able to see something from his/her angle or the player may genuinely not know what (s)he did wrong. However, if I start giving an answer and the coach either cuts me off or says "that's not what happened," I'm done. Asking me a question then telling me I'm wrong doesn't cut it.


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I don't like number 2. I know a lot of coaches, and I don't mind them calling me by my first name. But when a guy I just met starts repeating my name during the game, it is just annoying.
As I said elsewhere, my ex calls me by my first name and that doesn't get her any brownie points either. I'll respond if they call me since that's what my mother named me but I don't want it to be a habit, especially if I'm calling them "Coach."
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